re: In a combat situation, the Commander gets no second chance.

Thus he was not relieved of command for his losses, nor were those losses held against him when it came to future assignments. He was not reprimanded for the losses in Africa, rightfully so. But by March of 1943, it was clear that Africa was lost.

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What about the 20 year old Lieutenant whose gets kicked out of the service for ONE DWI?

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As a current Lieutenant in the military, I don't know of 1 20 year old LT, but back to your original point.

That LT should be discharged for the DWI. That person put lives in danger because of the inept decision making.

It's fine to hold Miles accountable for his decision making on the football field, but until his decisions start putting lives in danger, the comparison to military actions on the battlefield is way off base.

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know. I'm being stubborn. It's just hard to believe that someone can be this irreversibly dumb and oblivious.

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You are a bit of a simpleton.

I state what I state in the thread head.

You reply, "Not true because some commanders who fricked up in combat got second chances, therefore, your initial statement is technically incorrect and there are second chances for some commanders."

OK, you got me. Robert E Lee and Rommel got second chances. That's two examples. Let's not discuss the thousands of OTHER military commanders and military members who are shite-canned immediately for their mistakes and misjudgments. No. Forget that. Let's just make the point that my initial sentence was not technically and completely accurate.

Simpleton.

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I know a little about warfare and a little about football, and, in my opinion, it's a good analogy.

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I want to personally apologize to any of you who have faced combat, with your life on the line, only to have some idiot compare it to college football.

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If you are saying that Coach Miles should be cut some slack because football is just a game and is not war, then, I read you. But, I remind you that, if Miles's game is JUST a game, why does he make over 3 million a year?

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You just keep going downhill, champagne. What military leaders make $3m, or anything close? Money doesn't make football the equivalent of warfare. Our troops aren't paid jack shite. Take you own advice - cut your losses and shitcan yourself from this thread.

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In a combat situation, the Commander gets no second chance.

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Wow.

You're really going to compare a combat situation and a football game?

GTFO.

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Tactical decisions that don't work out do not get officers fired from their post or command. Things go wrong all the time in the military organizations and in civilian organizations. The nature of the mistakes such as those that you questioning will merely be noted by your superiors, and when you are due for another fitness report, you may score badly compared to your peers in some areas, the long term effect being that you are less likely to be promoted when you get the opportunity. And if you continue to screw up, may eventually be asked to retire.

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Have you heard of Relief for Cause? When a senior commander has lost confidence in a subordinate commander's ability to competently command the unit, the senior commander may relieve that subordinate from command.

That's what Coach Miles deserves: to be relieved from his "command" of LSU football coaching.

Commanders are relieved for cause in combat situations and in garrison at the discretion of a senior commander and for no greater reason than the senior commander has lost confidence in the subordinate commander.

That's my point in this thread: my point is that if I were Coach Miles's senior commander, I would relieve him for cause because I've lost confidence in him.

That's my main point. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

Commanding a division or a corps in battle has been compared to being a head coach in football by many coaches, soldiers and laymen over the years. I am not the first to do so. Both require leadership, expertise, quick thinking and a firm grasp of the situation on the field.

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Wow.

You're really going to compare a combat situation and a football game?

GTFO.

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Bullets flying around is a big difference then wasting the play clock and spiking the ball.

And to the guy who was talking about the 20 year old Lt I have never heard of a 20 year old Lt ever. You have to have a 4 year degree to get commissioned.

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Bullets flying around is a big difference then wasting the play clock and spiking the ball.

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The Corps commander probably doesn't have bullets flying past his head. The Army commander niether.

No doubt that commanding military personnel in combat is infinitely more dangerous, important and challenging than Les Miles's job, but, I expect Les Miles to have the same qualities of a quality military commander: expertise, quick thinking, complete control of the tactical situation, leadership ability, etc.

I have lost confidence in Coach Miles's abilities as a field commander. I would relieve him for cause.

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You are a bit of a simpleton.

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at the irony. Yes, I'm the incorrect simpleton here.

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OK, you got me. Robert E Lee and Rommel got second chances. That's two examples. Let's not discuss the thousands of OTHER military commanders and military members who are shite-canned immediately for their mistakes and misjudgments.

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First of all, no one refuted that people are fired for incompetence, everybody is aware of such. And, for the record, if you think there aren't hundreds or thousands of examples of capable commanders making mistakes or losing battles and NOT being relieved, then you are in fact hilariously dumb.

You openly and audaciously asserted that Miles should be fired immediately b/c failure is unacceptable and the military is a perfect example. You were flat out wrong and the analogy, the entire basis of your first post, is incorrect and dumb. You've now admitted it, begrudgingly.

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Simpleton.

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Yes, the one who was correct and engaged the entire discussion logically and intellectually honestly is the simpleton.

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I have lost confidence in Coach Miles's abilities as a field commander. I would relieve him for cause.

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You seem to not be able to realize that Miles is not a field commander.

He is the head coach of a college football team.

Your comparison is without merit.