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re: IMO, this is how the situation is going to play out, Lawyers input welcome
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Why? I ask that sincerely and have done so since this thing first broke. Why is it good for anyone involved to start tossing around rumors? As Nico stated, are we not LSU fans here? Is it not in the best interest of the program we love to WAIT and allow the investigation to go forward without us churning the pot with round after round of rumors which get out and repeated everywhere as fact?
In no way am I suggesting I don;t want justice done both on and off the field...but until we actually know what the hell happened, what good does it do anyone to be part of the rumor mill? Other than the ability to hang around a message board and claim victory, I see no point in it at all, and frankly I think it does more harm than good.
Your right and I agree with you about rumors not helping anything, but they WILL be posted here and everywhere else. Hell WAFB is reporting them as fact. If we are going to have rumors posted and reported everywhere, I would rather they come from someone who is suppose to be "in the know" if Nico's source really is. And like i said I do believe him when he said that a players gf told him that...i just dont know if we should fully believe the gf or not. But his source is probably better than Doucet's with WAFB
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Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Back off and dial it down a bit, dude.
GeauxTigerTM
The guy is just posting some info on here that he got, and like all of us, we are interested in the behind the scenes talk, gossip or not.
You made your heroic point already about posting inaccurate info and the value of poster credibility.
Now, step away from the computer and take a deep breath.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:50 am to TigerBait414
quote:Do you sincerely believe that you will somehow have hidden magic powers that will force the internet not to gossip and spread rumors? Seriously, you can't be this dumb.
Why is it good for anyone involved to start tossing around rumors?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:50 am to Elleshoe
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I think its a crock of shite but I don't think Miles has the ball sack to sit his starting QB against the #3 team in the nation
Wanna bet?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:52 am to Lee Chatelain
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Charges or no charges, J.L. will be starter because the so called, "big time" leader of the football team had to sneak out, and had to get into a fight, 2 weeks before one of LSU's biggest opening games in history!
Jefferson isn't starting because he "LET" his team down
Agreed. The war of perception within the locker room is the biggest issue we have to deal with at this point. If Miles' is too easy on JJ, he loses a good part of the team. Fighting is one thing, kicking a guy in the head when he's already down is another..shows his mentality.
JJ is not, and never has been, a leader of men. He's a punk and just went out of his way, big time, to prove it.
Give me the QBs that aren't fighting, at a bar, after curfew 2 weeks before the opener. F Idiot.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:53 am to NicoBlues
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done deal
I vomit a little bit every time I read this. Whether true or not.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:54 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Other than the ability to hang around a message board and claim victory
Isn't that the meaning of life?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:54 am to emanresu
I actually threw up when I typed it.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:56 am to TigerBait414
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Your right and I agree with you about rumors not helping anything
With you so far...
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but they WILL be posted here and everywhere else
and that's why they have admins.
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ell WAFB is reporting them as fact.
They are a news organization without any emotional ties to LSU. We, LSU fans, ought to wait this shite out...unless we have an agenda not to.
Remember back in 2002 when the whole fake Saban speech after the UK game about the BAMA team came out? I was pretty intimately involved with that...and despite it being written by an LSU fan with no intent to harm, that shite was brutal for a while...because rumors began to spread like wildfire and despite the best efforts of all those involved there was literally no stamping them out once they got out of control. That was hard to watch as a fan, knowing that an issue had been made bad/worse by a fellow fan with no bad intentions and once it had it was too late. I see a similar thing here! Yes...something clearly happened, but until we actually know anything we're only making the situation WORSE for LSU and the players. Why not just sit back, allow this thing to play out WITHOUT helping to move potentially false information forward ourselves?
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:58 am to GeauxTigerTM
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They are a news organization without any emotional ties to LSU. We, LSU fans, ought to wait this shite out...unless we have an agenda not to.
Yeah OK buddy.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:02 am to Lee Chatelain
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Here's the truth that some of you fail to see:
Charges or no charges, J.L. will be starter because the so called, "big time" leader of the football team had to sneak out, and had to get into a fight, 2 weeks before one of LSU's biggest opening games in history!
Jefferson isn't starting because he "LET" his team down!
Very Valid Point.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:02 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Back off and dial it down a bit, dude.
The guy is just posting some info on here that he got, and like all of us, we are interested in the behind the scenes talk, gossip or not.
You made your heroic point already about posting inaccurate info and the value of poster credibility.
Now, step away from the computer and take a deep breath.
Look...I like you and have always respected you as a poster...not that it matters. I actually have no interest in taking any one member here to task. I really do think that by continually hashing and rehashing this without anyone REALLY knowing anything, we're only making it worse for LSU...and if LSU is what the majority of us are here for, then why do that?
As for backing away...I will and have for most of this. Unlike so many here, I went and had a normal weekend. Sure...I was wondering how this would all play out...how it will effect the guys, the season, the program...and I'd occasionally check in to see if any new, REAL info had come out. but at no point have I sat here banging out post after post about this, other than to occasionally ask that we all do as you just suggested of me...take a step back and take a breath and allow this to play out without us interfering. Unfortunately it seems that allowing this to play out on its own is the crazy suggestion at this point...
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:05 am to GeauxTigerTM
I dont think Nico has any agenda TM, and I know i dont. But this is a message board. We come here looking for info. Do you think it is reasonable to expect that from now until this thing wraps up (weeks from now possible) nobody around BTR will say a word about it? Nobody is going to share what they heard? Nobody is going to spread lies and rumors?
That is going to happen. All im saying is that we need to take EVERYTHING we hear for what it is...talk and conjecture. having said that, some talk is more interesting to hear than others, and i personally found Nico's interesting.
This is tigerdroppings after all...."the poop on LSU sports".
That is going to happen. All im saying is that we need to take EVERYTHING we hear for what it is...talk and conjecture. having said that, some talk is more interesting to hear than others, and i personally found Nico's interesting.
This is tigerdroppings after all...."the poop on LSU sports".
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:15 am to TigerBait414
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Do you think it is reasonable to expect that from now until this thing wraps up (weeks from now possible) nobody around BTR will say a word about it? Nobody is going to share what they heard? Nobody is going to spread lies and rumors?
No...it's reasonable and expected. What I'm suggesting is that we, as fans, at least ATTEMPT to not try and make it worse!!
Is anyone really going to disagree when I suggest that if it turns out that the rumors we have all heard turn out to be not the way thins thing plays out, it will have been a bad thing for those involved to have been all brushed with the same broad brush?
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All im saying is that we need to take EVERYTHING we hear for what it is...talk and conjecture. having said that, some talk is more interesting to hear than others, and i personally found Nico's interesting.
And all I'm saying is that, with a tiny bit of self control, it's completely possible to stay informed about this situation and NOT become part of the story by becoming a vehicle of bad information transfer. As an LSU fan, that's in my best interest. Not to cover anything up, or to to hope that it does...but to stay out of it and let it play out without my involvement.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:16 am to NicoBlues
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I didn't say it was a done deal that he was getting 2nd degree battery charges.
See Below...
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I clarified that Sgt. Stone has already said that one player may get 2nd degree battery. If in fact you see that charge, JJs name will be beside it
It sounds to me like you think it is a done deal bro. I'm not mad at you for presening what you think to be factual information, but don't crawfish off of it......Stand Firm
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:17 am to GeauxTigerTM
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They are a news organization without any emotional ties to LSU.
Both sides of this argument are saying some pretty crazy stuff......You do realize that WAFB is both politically and emotionally tied to LSU right
ETA Oh I forgot financially as well.
This post was edited on 8/22/11 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:27 am to LSU316
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You do realize that WAFB is both politically and emotionally tied to LSU right
Well, yes...in a way. Doucet grew up a Tiger fan and I knew him a bit in Lafayette. what I mean is, unlike fans whose biggest attachment is their emotional bond with the program, a news organization has other ones...drawing and keeping an audience, at least the appearance of being impartial, etc. Put another way, they don;t have the luxury of staying completely out of it until the dust settles like a fan does, and ought to in my opinion. Not saying they should run around with rumors, but they are in a much better position to fact find and relay that news if they do their job correctly. An anonymous poster on an LSU fan message board is not really in that same position, and REALLY doesn't have any reason not to post false or potentially damning rumors because, after all...they're posting anonymously.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
Im not trying to argue with you here because I dont think our viewpoints are too far apart. Just like you (and i think most LSU fans) dont want to spread rumors. I think the main difference is this so called "self control" that you speak of.
Even this so called "good info" is usually flawed. Go back and read most of the early media reports on the incident. Most contradict each other because they were reporting rumor. All that you hear about this incident (at this point) is second hand info since the players nor the victims are talking to the public for the most part. WWL, WBRZ, etc are reporting hearsay just like Nico.
The reason I am more likely to put up with, and be interested in hearing what he had/has to say is because for the most part his info does not involve the case, but the football team. (Yes he mentioned what the charges "would be", but thats not the part i was interested in.) I found the talk of a 2 game suspension interesting since it is very plausible imho.
Like i said i understand and appreciate where you are coming from, but i guess your a better man than me. I cant help but look for any news (even gossip) about this incident. If I thought there was a place to go where i could filter out all of the crap and only get real info i would go there...but i have not found that place yet so tigerdroppings will have to do.
Even this so called "good info" is usually flawed. Go back and read most of the early media reports on the incident. Most contradict each other because they were reporting rumor. All that you hear about this incident (at this point) is second hand info since the players nor the victims are talking to the public for the most part. WWL, WBRZ, etc are reporting hearsay just like Nico.
The reason I am more likely to put up with, and be interested in hearing what he had/has to say is because for the most part his info does not involve the case, but the football team. (Yes he mentioned what the charges "would be", but thats not the part i was interested in.) I found the talk of a 2 game suspension interesting since it is very plausible imho.
Like i said i understand and appreciate where you are coming from, but i guess your a better man than me. I cant help but look for any news (even gossip) about this incident. If I thought there was a place to go where i could filter out all of the crap and only get real info i would go there...but i have not found that place yet so tigerdroppings will have to do.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:34 am to TigerBait414
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Like i said i understand and appreciate where you are coming from, but i guess your a better man than me. I cant help but look for any news (even gossip) about this incident. If I thought there was a place to go where i could filter out all of the crap and only get real info i would go there...but i have not found that place yet so tigerdroppings will have to do.
Nah...like I said earlier, I've been involved in something like this before with LSU and I'm very hesitant as a fan to even remotely make a situation worse again.
I'll put it this way...if I knew anything about this situation (I don't) I wouldn't post it here unless I was able to say who I am and where the info came from...and probably not even. the fact that we are all curious is really not enough reason to circumvent the process here as far as I'm concerned. Hell...I'm curious too! I'm as invested in LSU as the rest here...but I'm also invested in the long term prospects of the program, and I really think I'm doing it a disservice if I start repeated unfounded rumors.
So for my part, when I have people call me about this (and I have on several occasions this weekend) I tell them what I've said here...calm down and wait it out. We'll all know as much as we'll ever know probably by the end of this week...until then, just chill.
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:46 am to Lee Chatelain
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Here's the truth that some of you fail to see: Charges or no charges, J.L. will be starter because the so called, "big time" leader of the football team had to sneak out, and had to get into a fight, 2 weeks before one of LSU's biggest opening games in history! Jefferson isn't starting because he "LET" his team down!
BINGO!!!!!
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