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re: I'm glad we didn't listen to Saban

Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:31 am to
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:31 am to
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Without Jefferson playing a huge role (I support starting him but I was inexplicably ridiculed for that position), LSU will not beat Alabama. I think we'll win, but we'll win due to Jefferson not Lee.


You sound like you may be related to Jordan or are somehow invested in him with your statements.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
25592 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:36 am to
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You sound like you may be related to Jordan or are somehow invested in him with your statements
The only reason Jefferson is not starting is because of his suspension. He wasn't benched because he wasn't the best QB. It is my opinion (and I coached HS football for two years) that Jefferson is the best QB on the team and that he would match up against Alabama very well.

It is also my opinion that only through the use of some wildcat formations will we beat Alabama.
Posted by STBTigerr
Mandeville/New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
5364 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:38 am to
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Without Jefferson playing a huge role (I support starting him but I was inexplicably ridiculed for that position), LSU will not beat Alabama. I think we'll win, but we'll win due to Jefferson not Lee.


Yep there's too much evidence in our past 8 games to deny the fact the we need Jefferson getting the majority of the snaps. If only we had him in the beginning of the season instead of having to deal with Lee's obvious lack of ability in big games, we'd have a better record and a higher ranking.


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and I coached HS football for two years


Oh well shite, never mind, you're obviously an expert.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:40 am
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:40 am to
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The only reason Jefferson is not starting is because of his suspension.


you could say the only reason Jefferson took over for Lee is because of Lee's injury his freshman year.

Lee has played better than Jefferson could ever dream of

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It is also my opinion that only through the use of some wildcat formations will we beat Alabama.



Alabama has destroyed the wildcat every time they've faced it
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:40 am to
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True, but Nick Saban is the only coach who can lead a team that can beat this year's LSU team. We need to use the Wildcat scheme to take advantage of Jefferson - we cannot win with Lee at the helm.





Lee is the reason we can beat them. Jeffersson will play and he usually does pretty good vs Alabama.

But Lee is a better QB than JJ has ever been at LSU. He's already more than tripled Jeffersons regular season passing TDs
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:42 am
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:41 am to
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It is also my opinion that only through the use of some wildcat formations will we beat Alabama.

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:42 am to
another gem from the cat:
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Don't Start Ware, Matheiu (Posted on 10/23/11 at 12:28 p.m.)

Not on disciplinary grounds (I thought the suspension for fake pot was inane) but to give the team the best chance to win. Play them, but don't start them. Here's why (I'm like Tony LaRussa - I study trends and I coached HS football for two years): Historically, when #1 and #2 meet, the team that had the most lineup changes (for whatever reason) loses 77.4 percent of the time.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
25592 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:42 am to
Most of the teams that we beat aren't currently in the Top 20. Oregon is our only quality victory over a strong team. We struggled the first half at Tenn.

Lee is ok, but Jefferson is several cuts above.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:44 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:43 am to
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Most of the teams that we beat aren't currently in the Top 20. Oregon is our own quality victory over a strong team. We struggled the first half at Tenn.

Lee is ok, but Jefferson is several cuts above.



I bet you only coached highschool football for two years because you had no idea what was going on.

(WVU, Oregon, Auburn all ranked)

Jordan Jefferson threw for 4 regular season TDs last year in a historically bad season. His season last year was far worse than Lees freshman year.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:45 am
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
25592 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:45 am to
Fortunately, I'm confident we will win because of our great defense. You watch, it will be in spite of Lee and not because of him.

I do admit that his lack of interceptions is amazing.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:45 am to
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Lee is ok, but Jefferson is several cuts above.



Lee has been better than Jefferson the last 2 seasons, and it hasn't been close.

Lee has had a perfect season so far
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:46 am to
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Fortunately, I'm confident we will win because of our great defense. You watch, it will be in spite of Lee and not because of him.



we may end up losing because of Lee, but that still wouldn't make Jefferson the better QB
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
20233 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:46 am to
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last year


New QB coach. No one knows what JJ is capable of NOW because he hasn't played much. If he was starting you'd see he is very much improved. I'd bet my last buck on it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been named the starter in the first place.

And no, I'm not a Jefferson or related to them.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:47 am to
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Fortunately, I'm confident we will win because of our great defense. You watch, it will be in spite of Lee and not because of him.

I do admit that his lack of interceptions is amazing.


His passer rating is fantastic. He has spread the ball around, hit receivers in stride, hit the deep pass, avoided sacks, and taken care of the football. He has played better football this season than Jordan Jefferson has ever dreamed of.

We have a good offense for the first time since Jefferson took over. Lee is so much better it's funny that JJ ever started at all.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:48 am
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:48 am to
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Most of the teams that we beat aren't currently in the Top 20.


Uh yeah, no one can say that most of the teams they beat are in the top 20. What horrible reasoning. I can see why you "used" to coach.
Posted by geauxtigers6492
Admin in Waiting
Member since Jun 2008
3981 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:48 am to
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we cannot win with Lee at the helm.


8-0 Disagrees with you.


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I coached HS football for two years



I coach little league baseball...should i call CPM and tell him how to do his job
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:48 am to
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New QB coach. No one knows what JJ is capable of NOW because he hasn't played much. If he was starting you'd see he is very much improved. I'd bet my last buck on it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been named the starter in the first place.

And no, I'm not a Jefferson or related to them.


have you watched this season? Jefferson is obviously improved (especially as a runner), but there is a reason he has only thrown it a few times this year. it's because he cannot. half his throws have been ducks and off-target. his other throws are for TDs.

Jefferson only got his chance to start because Lee got hurt anyways. He then lead our team to awful offenses for two consecutive years with Lee bailing the offense out in clutch situations.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:50 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:49 am to
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The only reason Jefferson is not starting is because of his suspension

Lee has ridiculously efficient stats this season

Only 1 INT and something like 13 TDs

The offense has been very efficient with the power running game and PA pass to loosen things up.

Lee took advantage of the situation and has improved a lot since week 1. He is starting because he is playing well.
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It is also my opinion that only through the use of some wildcat formations will we beat Alabama.


Pretty interesting since it was the passing game that vaulted LSU past Alabama last year. And we have had great success running out of the I formation this year. There seems to be a certain degree of discontinuity when we start tinkering with the shotgun spread option game when Jefferson is in the game.

Without the deep ball to Randall in that game (AU) (which was set up by a facemask penalty) the offense looked pretty bad with JJ
Posted by STBTigerr
Mandeville/New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
5364 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:49 am to
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Lee is ok, but Jefferson is several cuts above.


If this is the case, why did Lee play at all last year? When we absolutely needed a pass completion and the defenses knew that, Lee was called upon because he is the better QB. Jefferson fit better with the stubborn game plans that typically got us nowhere offensively and that's why he started and played, but they had no confidence in his ability to make those types of passes.
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:50 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:50 am to
Yeah...there is no doubt that we would have lost both the Tenn and UF games last year without Lee.

Even the JJ supporters typically acknowledge that. This guy seems to be a really special type of idiot.
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