re: If you are looking forward at all, then you should like what you see.

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Why doesn't a proven OC,a proven DC or HC get a shorter leash when they had a bad loss in their first year at a new school? Again, why aren't people asking for Lincoln Riley to step down?

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They would if they had proven to be a failure in their history.

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Ours isnt looking great this year so far. But the key words are so far.

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We are digressing. None of these guys digressed.

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Hopefully things will come together and O can pull in a great class to shore up some OLine and Dline depth. Doesn't everyone always say that LSU recruits itself?

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Not when Ed O is at the helm. Obviously.

Again, you have to look at the entirety of the situation. You can't just look at Riley and say "Well he lost the Iowa State". Yeah, but they beat OSU. They're also top 10 in recruiting. They didn't lose to Troy. He's not having public humiliation from contradicting himself in the media.

You have to look at the entirety of the situation.

Good find. It doesn't exactly say it (blames it more on coaching changes) but I can understand why you reached that conclusion. I saw his facebook page and a few other articles which mentioned 0 of that.

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of course youre not. just like you're ok with the shite show lsu has been since miss st

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You are mad that O went for a 5 star over a 4 star with 2 months to go before signing day? And you equate that to being in favor of the way LSU has played this year when the Myles have even been playing?

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That being said if you are looking ahead at all next year and the year after are set up where we should be competing for titles. LSU loses players to the NFL every year and this year will be no exception but with all the youth that LSU has been forced to play we are going to be very experienced the next 2 years for sure.

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What about that whole "recruiting" thing that Orgeron is purportedly "good" at?

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They would if they had proven to be a failure in their history.

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Agree to disagree. We aren't talking about the best coaches of all time coming in. These were just coordinators coming in and they had bad first seasons and terrible losses.

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We are digressing. None of these guys digressed.

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Why? Because a few kids decommitted? That's how recruiting works. Let's have this conversation in February. You might be right. Who knows.

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You can't just look at Riley and say "Well he lost the Iowa State". Yeah, but they beat OSU. They're also top 10 in recruiting. They didn't lose to Troy

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I get it. My point is, with Oklahoma they went 11-2 the last two seasons and the first year for Riley, an OC with a 5th year Heisman QB, they lost to Iowa State, who went 3-9 the past 2 seasons, who I can only assume pulls in about as many top recruits as Troy

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Agree to disagree. We aren't talking about the best coaches of all time coming in. These were just coordinators coming in and they had bad first seasons and terrible losses.

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They were also improving the program and not contradicting themselves in the media. Again, look at the entire picture.

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Why? Because a few kids decommitted? That's how recruiting works. Let's have this conversation in February. You might be right. Who knows.

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I'm looking at the current situation. That's all I can do. And it's not good. There's nothing to be happy about. That's a fact.

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I get it. My point is, with Oklahoma they went 11-2 the last two seasons and the first year for Riley, an OC with a 5th year Heisman QB, they lost to Iowa State, who went 3-9 the past 2 seasons,

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Again, looking at the situation as it is RIGHT NOW, the judgments are not comparable. I agree that nothing is getting done until the end of the year anyway, but as of right now, it's very bad.

Let me ask you a question. If we bomb in recruiting this year and continue to look like shite on the field, are you going to agree that O needs to go? How much more digression do you need to see before you're on board?

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who I can only assume pulls in about as many top recruits as Troy

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You would be wrong in that assumption. Iowa State is far more talented than Troy.

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But he didn't cost us. 

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yeah and maybe next time it will.

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O made a move, it didn't work but we didn't lose Myles commitment eithe

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not because of O.

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That's literally best case scenario

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no the best case scenario is not alienating our recruits by making a move everyone but O knew was dumb.

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Its a risk I understand and we agree with at least that much

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yeah i dont agree its understandable.

bama was his dream school, jad been committed for a year and was going to be an early enrollment recruit. its one thing if he is opening up his recruitment.

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They are literally the exact same scenario.

It may not be their worst loss ever but Oklahoma was a 31.5-point favorite. They were 74-5-2 all-time and looking for their 19th straight over the Cyclones. The Cyclones were 3-9 the past two years. Oklahoma was 11-2 the last two years.

Oklahoma had almost lost to a terrible Baylor team this year too. How is that showing bias? It's facts. If anything Oklahoma and LSU are almost mirror equals if each other.

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No they're not. Oklahoma has beaten a top 10 team. OSU will probably be a top 5 team when it's said and done. They're top 10 in recruiting. They're coach is not contradicting himself in the media. They only have 1 loss. Why are you insisting this?

ET: And they're coach does not have a history of destroying a program.

We beat a top 25 team. Almost equal

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Recruiting will tell everything. But I'm not going to say O is doing a TERRIBLE job recruiting at the beginning of October.

I've said multiple times, I don't think O has what it takes to be head coach. People keep equating someone defending LSU from a statement like "if he stays head coach LSU will never recover" as someone who wants O around. I want LSU to win. People jump to conclusions about how "terrible our team is and the next 3 years are going to be worse" talk. Let the first season ride out. Give the man a fair shake. That's why I posted all the other coaches to begin with

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Fine, but you don't have to come in here and say our judgments are without merit. They are completely based on fact.

If you've seen enough to give O a chance, go for it. But our beliefs are based on fact and are with merit. O deserves to be called out on his mistakes. As does any coach.

Point to one post where I said that. Just one.

I don't disagree with most that you said. I don't think O has it either. I've said this multiple times but I guess y'all pick and choose what you want to see. The whole point to the post was that first year head coaches have bad losses and everyone wants to refute those facts.