re: "If USC wants an SEC grudge match, LSU is in the market..."

Rex, here's the deal, USC pissed the NCAA off because they wouldn't cooperate. Here at LSU, I can't speak for any other SEC school, we actually police ourself. We report any infractions to the NCAA, and we self impose penalties.

Maybe if USC had done the same, things would've been different. I mean it wasn't too hard for the NCAA to find footage of celebrities, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell....et al at USC's practices.

Argue all you want buddy. Fact is the SEC:
-Has lead the nation in attendance since the stat has been kept. What does that have to do with anything?



-Has put more players in the NFL than any other conference. That is a great point and is well known. But it isn't always the players, they need good coaches, which some of them have come from out west..

-Has out recruited all other conferences.
Perhaps. I know the numbers but sometimes recruiting isn't a best guess. Clay Matthews at USC was a walkon and now he played in the allstar game for the NFL....


-Has won more BCS bowl games than any other conference. My point on OOC has alot to do with this so I just don't buy into that accomplishment. If you played more OOC games against tougher opponents your 6-6 teams might be ineligible. So many of the SEC schools are milking the system. It is deplorable and Miles even has admitted to that in the past. Why SECr fans go to such games baffles me. Who wants to watch your team play La. Lafayette? Why? I have better things to do with my time. I don't mind going to watch a good football game and I will fork out good money to watch a good one. But I won't watch Oregon play Weber State. I won't watch LSU play La. Lafayette. Why bother. The game is bunk..And the players really don't want to play those mismatches either. You just pad your stats...Come clean.




-Has the highest bowl winning percentage than any other conference. Good point but most bowl games are in the southeastern part of the USA so those are like home games. It shows up when you watch the games on TV and you only see the SEC fans because they can drive to the games.. Bet the SEC wouldn't win as many games if the games were in Michigan or up in Idaho in January and late December.. I'll bet you big money on that....




-Has won more Nat'l Championships than any other conference.

AGain recently because of the biased BC. The more chances you get the more wins you will get. But in the last 5 years I do think your conference has been the strongest. But again not heads or tails above the others.S.



-Has played in more bowls than any ose of the .ther conference.
-Has 4 coaches that have won Nat'l Championships. More than any other conference. AGAIN SEE BIASED BCS


-Does not have it's best football program in trouble with the NCAA. OOPS You SPOKE TO SOON.. And more coming just learn what is going on. Sanctions coming soon to a school near you. It is like the African Killer bees. Can't stop those agents. This isn't a USC problem. It happenned to Florida already once before with Tank Black but the NCAA let it slide. They won't let it slide now. 100k is big money. I am almost laughing but knowing it is a nationwide problem perhaps people will become more willing to understand the problem and how ridiculous the penalties are for USC. You can't stop agents from trying to buy these kids when they know they collect multi million dollar paychecks when these kids sign pro contracts.... Ain't gonna happen....


-Has raked in more TV $ than any other conference.

Can't argue that. But not sure how that matters on the field...

All in the last decade. Facts undisputed. The best conference right now, which you admitted so I don't know why you're still arguing.
Once again I am not arguing that you don't. I just don't believe you are head and shoulders over the rest and my scheduling point shows HOW you get admitted to these games when the system is milked. Now I admit that the SEC is not alone although I haven't researched the ACC or the Big 12 or even the Big 10. But I do know the Pac 10 does step up and play more OOC games than other conferences and the OOC record stands up to all others and by playing almost 50% more games so how does that ever make the conference inferior.

Rex, here's the deal, USC pissed the NCAA off because they wouldn't cooperate. Here at LSU, I can't speak for any other SEC school, we actually police ourself. We report any infractions to the NCAA, and we self impose penalties.

Maybe if USC had done the same, things would've been different. I mean it wasn't too hard for the NCAA to find footage of celebrities, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell....et al at USC's practices.

Mike heres the deal, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell and anybody else at the practices weren't the problem, were they? That is just noise. Will Ferrell is actually an alumni of USC as is Tom Selleck, Taylor Hackford, George Lucas etc. The most prolific film school in the country is at USC that is why the celebrities are there. The Stephen Spielberg Cinema building is less than a football field away from the practice facility..

Having alumni and celebrities at your practices IS NOT AN NCAA VIOLATION. NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.. And to set the record straight many times kids for poor economic backgrounds were invited as part of Pete Carrol's better LA program. Plus PEE WEE Football teams from around southern California attended as well. Now all of them are banned. Too bad for the good that this caused...

The NCAA came down ON USC because Reggie Bush took money from a drug dealer, ex convict. They claim the drug dealer was an agent. YET THE NFL has strict policies that if you have any kind of prison record you cannot be an agent of the NFL!!!!!!!!!!! So he was just an drug dealer.

The media made a circus of the Reggie Bush thing. Now get this Reggie did sign for a Hotel room in Vegas. So he is definitely not innocent in the deal here. Let me repeat this. REGGIE BUSH IS NOT INNOCENT HERE.. And we would all like to hear his REAL STORY, so if you guys near New Orleans can get him to come clean - THEN PLEASE DO..

However the MONEY that the drug dealer claims to have given Reggie cannot be substantiated!! He has never provided any receipts and bank statements that show any withdrawals of any sums of money. AMAZING... However I still believe he did give Reggie money and so does the NCAA but THERE ISN"T ANY PROOF!!

NOW GET THIS.. THE NCAA has had investigators at USC FOR 4 FULL YEARS. Almost every day for 4 years while this exhaustive investigation took place. USC DID COOPERATE!! Reggie did not!!! It took a while because the star Witness LLOYD LAKE, the drug dealer, WAS ALWAYS IN AND OUT OF JAIL. YOU Can CHECK THE RECORDS AND READ HIS TESTIMONY..

After 4 years of investigation the NCAA slapped USC these HUGE FINES for:

1. Tennis player from Romania making calls to her family back in Europe.

2. Pete Carroll not clearing his "specialty teams coach with compliance". This was one year which by the way our special teams sucked that year, nevertheless it was a violation of sorts. Hardly a MAJOR ONE.

3. Claiming Booster involvement with OJ Mayo. Now this is one of the contentions that USC is making in their appeal. First and foremost, USC asked the NCAA to clear OJ Mayo as they were worried about his Amateur status. The NCAA did research and knew about Rodney Guillory and he is mentioned in their report. Rodney Guillory was an accomplice to a problem USC had in 2002 with another basketball player name Jeff Trepaigner. The NCAA knew this. YET THEY STILL CLEARED Mayo to play for SC. NOW since they can't find enough evidence with the Reggie Bush thing, they CLAIM that since Guillory was involved twice with USC he is now considered a Booster!!!! Guillory never went to USC, doesn't donate to USC, doesn't have anything to do with USC. He is just trying to become an Agent!!!!! THE KEY POINT HERE IS THE NCAA KNEW ABOUT THIS. OKAYED THIS!! AND CHANGED THEIR TUNE!!!!

4. The fourth point is they claim that Michael Ornstein was a booster giving benefits to USC players. This again is another reason USC is appealing.

Ornstein is an agent. He hired 3 USC players when he set up his office in LA. However once again Players can work for an agent. This is not an NCAA violation.. The NCAA claims that he was a booster because he only hired USC players. Yet this was untrue...And again this is a trumped up charge. Yes his first 3 employees were from USC, but he later hired Marcedes Lewis from UCLA and now employees players from lots of Universities around the country.

THE NCAA REPORT when it lists the transgressions against USC, never mentions the situation with REggie Bush and the drug dealer who gave him all the money!!! Fascinating but true..READ IT YOURSELF.

So for these 4 reasons they say the University lacked institutional control.

These were the only 4 things they could drum up after spending 4 years combing through all the University records.

The truth of the matter is they believed Reggie Bush took money and wanted to Punish USC for it. Yet they couldn't really get the proof needed to make the allegation stick. So they trumped up some charges and went after the School.


THIS IS WHY THE MEDIA states the Penalties don't fit the crime. And in my opinion they don't.

The real issue is AGENT ACCESS to Players. And since the NCAA isn't using any leverage with the NFL this problem is going to continue. And it started 12years ago at Florida with Tank Black and is only getting worse as the NFL $$$ grow...

SC believes that Reggies family and or Reggie were involved. There is no way of knowing unless THEY COME OUT AND SPEAK. Reggie has neither provided USC nor the NCAA any information yet he constantly claims he is going to cooperate..

All the evidence the NCAA had came from a drug dealer who constantly contradicted himself.

The lead investigator was a guy named Paul Dees. He used to be the AD at the U during the SCANDALS in MIAMI. He was linked in every way to those scandals. You can google Paul Dees and Sports Illustrated as they did a major issue on this guy.

Funny how SC's lead recruit heads off to Miami after he is let go from his LOI.

A leopard doesn't change his spots and where there is smoke there is fire!!!

The SANCTIONS are RIDICULOUS!!! And what REggie did is what SO MANY OTHER TALENTED PLAYERS ARE DOING!!!! Chris Mortensen wrote a book on this in 2002!!!So now it shows up in North Carolina, South Carolina and at UF. 2 SEC Schools. And don't think for a minute that AGENTS aren't trying to give money to the talent rich pool at LSU. The question is which player is going to take it... Not IF or WHEN...

The SEC is 5-0 in BCS title games. No other conference is close. If the SEC was as over-rated as you delusionally believe, they'd have at least come close to losing once.

If you are implying that the SEC is HEADS and SHOULDERS over everyone else, then yes I am saying you are over rated. If you are saying you have arguably had the strongest conference the last couple of years I would agree.

However in the SEC 5-0 run in BCS championship games have they ever played USC which in some peoples opinion might have had the most dominant program from 2003-2010?? So why haven't the two played??? Answer me that??? If you look deep you understand the BCS is BS and you are thumping your chest over a broken program...

Do you seriously not realize that SEC are not just getting into bowls, but winning them? Our bowl record last season was 6-4. The Pac Ten by comparison was 2-5.

Okay you go back one year, Yes you win last year AND OF COURSE I KNEW THAT. Open the window up a little big longer and gather more data and you see the situation becomes alot clearer how competitive everything really is.. You might even see the Mountain West has a pretty impressive Bowl record. Didn't UTAH SMOKE Alabama two years ago???

But if all you want to do is beat your chest over last year. Okay you win. But you don't get the point either..




You can say the exact thing about the Pac Ten. And as far as playing bowls on the road, that's what the FCS does. Southern teams still dominate. Google is your friend.

Actually you would be surprised. Pac 10 teams are built on more than speed alone. when you play in Snow in the Palouse and Freezing Rain, Hail and TULE FOG in Oregon, SPEED Becomes irrelevant. Big 10 teams are built for this issue in November. You can't win the big 10 if you can't win in November. The same thing when you go to Oregon and Washington. It can't be proven but I bet you Pac 10 teams would fare better than most as we have Schools that are WAY UP NORTH!!!! SEC just goes to Kentucky..

FCS

The SEC is in favor of playoffs and has been for awhile. The last roadblocks to playoffs seem to be the Pac Ten and the Big Ten.

Actually that is the Rose Bowl Committee and the City of Pasadena. Since the Big 10 travels so well and cant wait to leave the frigid North the hotel rooms book, the restaurants are packed and there is lots of community money at stake.. The Rose Bowl committee isn't always assured that the SEC or ACC representative would send the same wave of people as the weather is much more enjoyable and people might elect to stay home and watch the game on TV. The community would suffer. That is your bowl game dilemma in a nutshell... But make no mistake, the Pac 10 champion would love to play in a playoff. Please make the distinction between the teams and the Rose Bowl Committee. They are not one and the same!!

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Well, it sounds like you're saying the SEC schedules pansies OOC, which is not true.

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has the pac-10 commissioner not said that he is against a playoff and a conference championship game?

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new PAC-10 commish is pro CCG and expanding to 12 teams now allows that. Most, if not all SEC teams are aginst the playoffs. In fact, three years ago at the SEC meetings, they unanimously voted to keep the status quo (i.e., BCS).

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LSU sold out its rose bowl tickets in epic fashion in 2003, only to have the Pac-10 led rose bowl chose a pathetic at-large Michigan team over the match-up that the whole college football word wanted to see.

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Huh? LSU was in the BCS title game in 03.

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Rex is in need of being marginalized by society

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No Rex is here because there are quite a few tiger fans on the SC website talking trash.

So Rex came to the LSU website to see what is going on. It appears to Rex that Sc is the arrogant school but the SEC appears to have grown some mighty big heads over the years..

Rex knows the SEC is a really good conference but he also is trying to illustrate that the Pac 10 conference isn't the Pushover that everyone says and the facts bear that out.. They play a tougher schedule out of conference. The winning percentage out of conference is just as good as anyone elses and yet people "THINK" the conference isn't deep.

So they also think SC was cheating because of the Media and you guys probably get most of your news from the biased Eastern Sports Network (ESPN). And yes that is exactly what it was called when it started up.. If you watch ESPN and please do, then tell me any highlights you ever see about Pac 10 teams. SC gets all the highlights but you never see Oregon or anyone else.

Now you can argue all you want, but one of my best friends went played offensive line at LSU. I have other friends that played for Alabama, Auburn, and Tennessee. SO I KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, but once you point it out they start to agree.... Since 50% of the population lives on the Eastern Seaboard, they focus on that audience for money and advertising. But in fairness it taints the fairness to the west coast schools when you have a BCS that is basically a popularity contest.

NOBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM MORE THAN THE PEOPLE WEST OF THE ROCKIES!~!!!!!!

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So why haven't the two played??? Answer me that???

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Cause USC chokes EVERY YEAR to a cupcake like Stanford or Oregon State. Its pretty simple.

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They're waiting. They've been waiting. And drinking heavily

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