RexWilde

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The SEC has four programs that have won a BCS national championship. It has two others that have finished #2 at least once in the last 7 years. Auburn arguably is the legitimate national champion for 2004 since they were the only major undefeated team that wasn't cheating. Georgia has finished #2 or #3 twice in the last 8 years, and could very easily have won the national championship in either of those years. Six different SEC teams have won BCS bowls. When your conference goes six deep in teams that, in any given year, are a threat to win a BCS bowl and/or win the national championship, no other conference holds a candle to you. Going into 2010, LSU is, at best, the fourth or fifth best SEC team, but with a couple of breaks we could win the national championship. It's that competitive here.

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Okay now with the news that Florida has cheated, and Alabama, has cheated, and South Carolina has cheated, what is your argument....

And don't say the others haven't. Has the light bulb gone on yet?????

No need to apologize.. And don't say any LSU players haven't cheated. CUZ, I KNOW THEY JUST Haven't been caught.

Let me spell it out.

With Bradford from Oklahoma signing a contract for $50 mill. An agents take is 30%. He gets 15mill. He is going to do whatever he can to sign these guys. But your guys are PURE?? They would never do that. There is no corruption in Louisiana. None what so ever in New Orleans...

Please Please Please.

Don't cast those stones..

By the way, this is terrible for college football. What are they going to do? Take away Alabama's National Championship? Make Florida Bowl Eligible. Hey LSU WINS BY DEFAULT> You don't have to play any games...

This argument is old and not worth the time it took you to write it.

Face the facts, there's not a DA in the country that's going to let a drug dealer caught in the act off the hook just because all the other drug dealers are doing the same thing.

The point of my argument is about agents and piranha that prey on young kids and there is no way the University is going to find out.

Right FLORIDA?

Right South Carolina?

Right Alabama?
Right North Carolina???

Look whose talking now!!!!!!!

And you better watch out if you think they haven't been knocking on LSU's door.

You have good players. They are there. So keep talking cuz your just diggin a bigger hole..

Rex, here's the deal, USC pissed the NCAA off because they wouldn't cooperate. Here at LSU, I can't speak for any other SEC school, we actually police ourself. We report any infractions to the NCAA, and we self impose penalties.

Maybe if USC had done the same, things would've been different. I mean it wasn't too hard for the NCAA to find footage of celebrities, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell....et al at USC's practices.

Mike heres the deal, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell and anybody else at the practices weren't the problem, were they? That is just noise. Will Ferrell is actually an alumni of USC as is Tom Selleck, Taylor Hackford, George Lucas etc. The most prolific film school in the country is at USC that is why the celebrities are there. The Stephen Spielberg Cinema building is less than a football field away from the practice facility..

Having alumni and celebrities at your practices IS NOT AN NCAA VIOLATION. NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.. And to set the record straight many times kids for poor economic backgrounds were invited as part of Pete Carrol's better LA program. Plus PEE WEE Football teams from around southern California attended as well. Now all of them are banned. Too bad for the good that this caused...

The NCAA came down ON USC because Reggie Bush took money from a drug dealer, ex convict. They claim the drug dealer was an agent. YET THE NFL has strict policies that if you have any kind of prison record you cannot be an agent of the NFL!!!!!!!!!!! So he was just an drug dealer.

The media made a circus of the Reggie Bush thing. Now get this Reggie did sign for a Hotel room in Vegas. So he is definitely not innocent in the deal here. Let me repeat this. REGGIE BUSH IS NOT INNOCENT HERE.. And we would all like to hear his REAL STORY, so if you guys near New Orleans can get him to come clean - THEN PLEASE DO..

However the MONEY that the drug dealer claims to have given Reggie cannot be substantiated!! He has never provided any receipts and bank statements that show any withdrawals of any sums of money. AMAZING... However I still believe he did give Reggie money and so does the NCAA but THERE ISN"T ANY PROOF!!

NOW GET THIS.. THE NCAA has had investigators at USC FOR 4 FULL YEARS. Almost every day for 4 years while this exhaustive investigation took place. USC DID COOPERATE!! Reggie did not!!! It took a while because the star Witness LLOYD LAKE, the drug dealer, WAS ALWAYS IN AND OUT OF JAIL. YOU Can CHECK THE RECORDS AND READ HIS TESTIMONY..

After 4 years of investigation the NCAA slapped USC these HUGE FINES for:

1. Tennis player from Romania making calls to her family back in Europe.

2. Pete Carroll not clearing his "specialty teams coach with compliance". This was one year which by the way our special teams sucked that year, nevertheless it was a violation of sorts. Hardly a MAJOR ONE.

3. Claiming Booster involvement with OJ Mayo. Now this is one of the contentions that USC is making in their appeal. First and foremost, USC asked the NCAA to clear OJ Mayo as they were worried about his Amateur status. The NCAA did research and knew about Rodney Guillory and he is mentioned in their report. Rodney Guillory was an accomplice to a problem USC had in 2002 with another basketball player name Jeff Trepaigner. The NCAA knew this. YET THEY STILL CLEARED Mayo to play for SC. NOW since they can't find enough evidence with the Reggie Bush thing, they CLAIM that since Guillory was involved twice with USC he is now considered a Booster!!!! Guillory never went to USC, doesn't donate to USC, doesn't have anything to do with USC. He is just trying to become an Agent!!!!! THE KEY POINT HERE IS THE NCAA KNEW ABOUT THIS. OKAYED THIS!! AND CHANGED THEIR TUNE!!!!

4. The fourth point is they claim that Michael Ornstein was a booster giving benefits to USC players. This again is another reason USC is appealing.

Ornstein is an agent. He hired 3 USC players when he set up his office in LA. However once again Players can work for an agent. This is not an NCAA violation.. The NCAA claims that he was a booster because he only hired USC players. Yet this was untrue...And again this is a trumped up charge. Yes his first 3 employees were from USC, but he later hired Marcedes Lewis from UCLA and now employees players from lots of Universities around the country.

THE NCAA REPORT when it lists the transgressions against USC, never mentions the situation with REggie Bush and the drug dealer who gave him all the money!!! Fascinating but true..READ IT YOURSELF.

So for these 4 reasons they say the University lacked institutional control.

These were the only 4 things they could drum up after spending 4 years combing through all the University records.

The truth of the matter is they believed Reggie Bush took money and wanted to Punish USC for it. Yet they couldn't really get the proof needed to make the allegation stick. So they trumped up some charges and went after the School.


THIS IS WHY THE MEDIA states the Penalties don't fit the crime. And in my opinion they don't.

The real issue is AGENT ACCESS to Players. And since the NCAA isn't using any leverage with the NFL this problem is going to continue. And it started 12years ago at Florida with Tank Black and is only getting worse as the NFL $$$ grow...

SC believes that Reggies family and or Reggie were involved. There is no way of knowing unless THEY COME OUT AND SPEAK. Reggie has neither provided USC nor the NCAA any information yet he constantly claims he is going to cooperate..

All the evidence the NCAA had came from a drug dealer who constantly contradicted himself.

The lead investigator was a guy named Paul Dees. He used to be the AD at the U during the SCANDALS in MIAMI. He was linked in every way to those scandals. You can google Paul Dees and Sports Illustrated as they did a major issue on this guy.

Funny how SC's lead recruit heads off to Miami after he is let go from his LOI.

A leopard doesn't change his spots and where there is smoke there is fire!!!

The SANCTIONS are RIDICULOUS!!! And what REggie did is what SO MANY OTHER TALENTED PLAYERS ARE DOING!!!! Chris Mortensen wrote a book on this in 2002!!!So now it shows up in North Carolina, South Carolina and at UF. 2 SEC Schools. And don't think for a minute that AGENTS aren't trying to give money to the talent rich pool at LSU. The question is which player is going to take it... Not IF or WHEN...

In the same time span, 6 different teams have finished second in the SEC, but 5 different SEC teams have actually won the conference, and even better, 3 different SEC teams have won the Nat'l Championship. By contrast the PAC10 has only 2 teams to play in the Rose Bowl as conference champions (USC & Oregon) in that same time frame. That's not depth.

I am not saying that the SEC isn't good remember, I am just saying that you aren't head and shoulders over the rest of the country and I use the Pac 10 as an example..

Actually Oregon, Oregon State and Washington tied for the conference crown in 2000. Then Oregon won in 2001 and 2002 and in my opinion could have been the best team in the country then as well. But once again the BEAUTY CONTEST to select the national champion doesn't know anything about West Coast football and therefore didn't know about the talent rich ducks at the time.

In 2003 USC went on a tear but tied Cal in 2006 for the Crown and tied ASU in 2007 for the crown. USC happenned to get the bowl game because the won the head to head game against the opposing team. So you can see it just isn't USC and everyone else is inferior..



The SEC has had more different teams win the conference, play in BCS bowl games, and win national titles. The SEC is deeper right now.


I give you credit for more different teams winning the conference.

But since the BCS is rigged and hasn't been fair to the West Coast teams, it is hard for people out west to just grant you that concession. It is your victory but shall remain hollow to the grave. And that is too bad.

Remember one time LSU played Ohio State and the other time LSU played Oklahoma. AND BOTH OF THOSE TIMES USC SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT GAME. And that is the GAME the entire country wanted to see.. So why did it not happen???

There has always been an anti california atmosphere on the East Coast and it shows up when the MONEY GETS BIG...

Oregon has been snubbed in bowl games, Utah has been snubbed in bowl games, Boise State has been snubbed in bowl games and USC was snubbed in two national championship games.. So it is really hard to grant you concessions when the BCS is a beauty contest... SETTLE IT ON THE FIELD.

I thought that stuff only happenned at USC.

Yes, they were all included in my analysis. And even with those teams it doesn't compare. Go re read.. You have 12 teams and 3 to 4 non conference games a year. That is 36 games times 10 years. That is 360 games..minimum. That isn't enough games.. NO.

let me help you out.

USC does not OWN THE ROSE BOWL COMMITTEE!!!!

Period.

UCLA plays in the Rose BOWL> This is our arch enemy.

You need to get a clue.

You know the shame in that year is the Ok was so far ahead in points that after losing to KSU in the Big 12 championship game they still remained #1. I don't think there would have been nearly as much debate if USC and LSU were in the championship that year. And by debate I mean that the AP wouldn't have split the title with Oklahoma. The AP writers could point to Ok not wining their conference championship etc.
And then we could say definitely who the best team in 2003 was…
Don’t get me wrong…I think LSU was the best that year but it sure would have been great to play USC for the title and squash all debate!

How Oklahoma got into that game proves to me the BCS is BS. No way should they have been in that game!!!!!!

IF LSU was undefeated and lost the Championship game would the BCS elect them to go??

I know if the SC lost in a PAC 10 championship game they wouldn't go no matter who was injured or what happened...

I share your sentiment 100%. SC thought they had the better team. LSU thinks they had the better team. But there is NO WAY to really know and that is wrong!!!!!

Let them play the game and let the best team win....

Kiffin might agree to a home and home. He has more balls than Carroll. Carroll was smart by staying away from LSU - kind of like Don King making Mike Tyson avoid Evander Holyfield for all those years until after he lost the belt to Buster.

I find LSU fans pretty knowledgeable fans. Sadly you haven't yet tapped into that talented information pool.

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It isn't garbage. You don't play enough teams.

as my analysis points out, comparing 6 teams from the Pac 10 to 6 teams from the SEC, the winning percentage is similar. If it was obvious that the SEC had a superior winning percentage I would agree with your side of the debate. But the OOC' winning percentages are similar. Yet the same 6 teams in the SEC play 60 games. One a year. While the same 6 teams in the Pac 10 play almost 100 games. That is almost 66 percent more...

Bowl games and bowl game money is awarded to programs that are the most deserving. How do you calculate the most deserving? How do we know the SEC is SO ULTRA SPECIAL? One way to determine (without the beauty contest), is to challenge on the field. That is why the OOC schedule is so vital.

You can deny all you want, but the season of change is under way.

That is why the SEC plans to step up and change.

It is all for the best anyway.

Would you really rather spend all that money to go watch LSU play La Lafayette?? When you can spend your money to watch LSU, play Texas, Ohio State, Oregon or somebody who will make it a game.

One of the best games I saw was when Texas beat USC. Vince Young was unbelievable. Okay SC lost but what a game.

Even the game at Ohio State was great because it went down to the wire.

These games are much more interesting than playing Idaho or Hawaii.

But SC plays Hawaii for the purpose of its fan base to go TO Hawaii? And of course who wouldn't want to go there.....

Sorry

I have been to the Swamp. I have been to Auburn, I have been to Baton Rouge. I have been to Doak Campbell stadium. I have been to these places. Yes you have great crowds. But they don't win games.

Have you been to Oregon? Have you been to Seattle? If not, you don't have a basis of comparison. Your just thumping your chest...

Frankly all that you mentioned in your report is bunk. You DON"T GO 6 teams deep every year as my analysis pointed out. You usually have 2 to 3 teams that are good.

I have never said the SEC isn't good. I just don't think you are ALL WORLD and untouchable by other conferences...

And my analysis of how your team plays other conferences bears that point out...

LSU has a great track record, but Alabama and Tennessee don't. Vandy is terrible and so is Kentucky. Ole Miss and Mississippi never win against other conferences especially when it has to travel. SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT.

Football has long been played before the BCS. And the BCS is a Pageant contest.. It is all BS. And as soon as you get snubbed for a National Championship game you will be the biggest screamer.