re: If successful, is the O model sustainable?

I agree the issue with replacing coordinators every 2-3 years is real. That might be mitigated if you hire from a "tree"; Briles has so many OCs that you could interchange them and though some things might change much would remain the same (to include terminology?) This could even work to be advantageous, as changing coaches can dispel tendencies- we all knew when the toss-dive was coming from Les and any of his coordinators.

But with that said, what "tree" does either Canada or Aranda come from? None that I'm aware of. Then do we have positions coaches learn at their feet and step up when the time is right (Craig learning from Canada and Corey Raymond learning from Aranda?) That means our model of "hiring the best coordinator in the business" dissolves into promoting from within.

It can work but it's a HUGE risk- which is why those arguing that the head coach should have some expertise on one side of the ball aren't incorrect.

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If he wins a NC, why wouldn't he want to be paid like a NC winning coach?

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O should never ask for Fisher type money whether he wins an NC or not, because he himself admits he is utterly dependent on top coordinators.

Anything you add to his salary, you'll have to deduct from coordinator salaries and that is a recipe for disaster.

ETA: I can't believe O hasn't been official HC for a single game and you people are talking about giving him NC level pay raises.
Pump the brakes, O pumpers. Let's see how at least one full season goes.

It really depends on CEO. What can he do/have making 3m vs 6m? I'm hoping that part of CEO's pitch was to build a staff using a different model (ongoing) which would take some sacrifice from him. LSU was already amongst the highest paid staffs in the country and that probably won't ever change. We can continue to set the upper threshold for OC/DC pay and remain net-neutral as long as CEO is OK with being at the bottom of the pack in HC pay.

Football is a dynamic sport where the strategy changes constantly. Name the best x/o coaches from 1990, 1995, 2000, 2005, 2010, 2016. It would (mostly) be the guys who were developing new schemes which provided advantage on one side of the ball. The other factor is that this will require a completely new mindset across our entire fanbase. We can't have an identity based on strong defense or offense simply because that is predictable and assumes that you always have the same roster strengths. I love what I hear from both Aranda and Canada. Create advantage from mismatches which requires innovation on a game by game basis.

One thing is certain, LSU started this trend when Aleeva publicized the $2m + $2m budget thresholds. How many AD's were going...WTF when they read that?

Doing your job to perfection is more than being better prepared. In fact demanding perfection may be less efficient and more practice time consuming.

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That's a credit to his defensive expertise.

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You are stretching. But let's assume the premise is correct: Saban's defense is better prepared bc his expertise on the defensive side allows for more efficient practices. Well, O cut practice times. So following your premise, it must have been O's expertise that allowed a TE's coach to set offensive records as an OC?

C'mon.

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Except we know Orgeron's side of the ball isnt offense.

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You're right! I was making a point. Making practice more efficient and improving on one side the ball is not wholly dependent on the HC's expertise. But you can substitute defense in my example.

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You're right! I was making a point. Making practice more efficient and improving on one side the ball is not wholly dependent on the HC's expertise. But you can substitute defense in my example.

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But its common knowledge that the best coaches are considered defensive,offensive or qb masterminds.

Whether it's hands on or the direction they use within the staff.
Saban's defense,aside from recruiting more agile players to combat the spread concepts,has looked the same schematically since he took over.

Just like meyer's offense has looked similar going all the way back to utah and alex smith.


Eta: we dont know if O has a common theme for defense. He may have one.

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Doing your job to perfection is more than being better prepared

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You ever hear the saying "practice makes perfect?"

Doing your job to perfection is MAINLY about being prepared. And you prepare in practice. Are you seriously trying to argue this point? If you are not already better prepared than your opponent, then you have no chance to be perfect. Preparation is the basis for excellence.

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You are stretching. But let's assume the premise is correct: Saban's defense is better prepared bc his expertise on the defensive side allows for more efficient practices

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Yes.

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Well, O cut practice times. So following your premise, it must have been O's expertise that allowed a TE's coach to set offensive records as an OC?

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Setting records vs teams that shouldn't even be on the field vs LSU. What happened when we played teams that weren't challenged defensively? 0 against Bama and a underwhelming effort vs UF.

I don't expect LSU to put up 50 on Bama but a well prepared team would at least score. Western Kentucky scored on Bama. Chattanoga scored on Bama. A 0 is indefensible for a team of LSU's caliber.

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You ever hear the saying "practice makes perfect?"

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Of course, but not all sayings are truths.
More accurately, "Perfect practice makes perfect." Sloppy practice just makes permanent.

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Setting records against teams that should not even be on the field

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Bc before this year all of LSU's opponents were top notch caliber teams? C'mon.

And while the BAMA game was underwhelming, don't confuse that with UF. LSU dominated the UF game. It was unfortunate turnovers at critical times and a back that ran the wrong way on last play that cost LSU.

Kiffin is an offensive genius. He has not done well as a HC. So it must take more than that 5% to succeed. Otherwise Kiffin would have been one of the best.

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Where does the coach that lacks the 5% make up ground?

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recruiting. Getting better players more than makes up for whatever 5% advantage a given HC's preparation or strategies give. All coaches bring strategies and preparation and unless they are just really bad at it (as with Cam Cameron with Miles), then it is generally a wash or a 5% advantage/disadvantage.

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The idea that his defense strategy is just somehow so great and so far advanced that other coaches have no clue how to attack it is ridiculous. That he has future early round nfl draft picks lined up shoulder to shoulder across the d-line, at LB, and in the secondary has much more to do with it (as in everything to do with it)

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Don't you think maybe Saban's defensive recruiting is partly BECAUSE of his defensive prowess? Do you think this could be the reason why his defenses ALWAYS outshine his offenses, which don't have to be a juggernaut thanks to his defenses?