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re: If NIL was forced by the courts, could Smith suspension not be litigated?

Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:48 pm to
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
14868 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:48 pm to
That is what I said in another thread. He is being punished under a rule that has been declared unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court.
We should get an injunction for the Florida State game then drop the case before the Grambling game.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
21176 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:55 pm to
He’s not healthy doesn’t matter
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:59 pm to
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That is what I said in another thread. He is being punished under a rule that has been declared unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court.


Congratulations, you got it wrong two times. The USSC has issued no rulings on NIL, nor the creation of the NCAA rules for NIL, nor the rules that were in place prior to the NCAA adopting its new NIL rules, nor did it rule on the NCAA's limitations on non-education related compensation for student-athletes.

ETA: Just some final points to address on your gross mischaracterization of Alston:

1. The USSC concurred with the District Court that the NCAA Rules on limitations of education related compensation for student-athletes violated provision(s) of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, it was not a Constitutional Law issue it is a violation of a statute. So no, nothing in the ruling declared any NCAA rule or regulation "unconstitutional".

2. In Alston the USSC did not rule on the NCAA rules limiting non-educational compensation to student-athletes (this issue was not on appeal before the USSC). These are the very NCAA rule(s)/By-Laws under which Smith is being punished for his actions prior to the effective date of the NIL By-Laws passed by the NCAA member institutions. So, once again your assertion is baseless and entirely incorrect.

3. Wow, one sentence and two major screw-ups on your part, legal brilliance on display, ladies and gentlemen.
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 3:35 am
Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1623 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:04 pm to
This has more to do with lsu being on probation. That's why there will be no fight.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
7900 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:16 pm to
I don’t think people are giving Maason enough criticism in this. He knew it was illegal at that time and his family is seemigly well off. Poor decision making in his part. It shouldn’t be against the rules but it was. I’m more disappointed in that than anything. NCAA gonna NCAA
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5325 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:30 pm to
quote:

bullshite, he broke the rules and got caught (turned in is more appropriate) and is being punished according to rules that were in place when the infraction occurred.
So you're a little bitch. Got it. College athletes should never have been penalized for signing autographs to begin with.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15584 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

So the rules that the presidents of the member institutions vote on and agree to abide by are bullshite because you do not like the outcome?


No, the bullshite part is continuing to pursue punishment under a rule that said institutions voted to change.
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2689 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 8:45 pm to
Makes sense. What gets me is why didn’t LSU “bend the rules” and declare Mason Smith eligible for bowl game. Then he gets suspended for 1 game and this negative mojo never happens. We start out 2023 fully loaded in what could be a national championship rematch. Someone at LSU dropped the ball IMHO. Is what it is as they say. Moving on……. Geaux Tigers!
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

So you're a little bitch.


Wow, I learned something new today, if you state the obvious of what actually happened you get called names. Kuddos you got me good there champ.

/sarcasm

The only bitch(es) in this situation is(are) the snitch and possibly Boutte - dependent upon what actions transpired on his part that caused the acrimony that led to the snitch ratting out Smith and Boutte to the NCAA.


quote:

College athletes should never have been penalized for signing autographs to begin with.


That is an entirely different argument, that is inapplicable to the situation at hand. Your feelings and thoughts on the issue of prior NCAA non-educational compensation for student-athletes are of no consequence.

Please note that not once in this thread have I pontificated on the merits of any NCAA rule or regulation. Nor have I expressed my opinion on any said NCAA rule or regulation nor the administration thereof.

I did however address: (1) the many misguided notions of what issues the USSC's ruled on in Alston; (2) the twisted logic and/or general inanities spewed by several posters on the subject matter; and (3) did laugh at some of the stupidity espoused herein.

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Got it


Don't think that you do.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
48902 posts
Posted on 8/24/23 at 11:38 pm to
I mean, this is like legalizing marijuana, and then sentencing some guy to do time because he got caught with an ounce the day before it was legal. At the same time, all his friends are now walking into the dispensary and buying gummies, kush and vape cartridges while their friend is getting punished for something now perfectly legal.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:04 am to
quote:

I mean, this is like legalizing marijuana, and then sentencing some guy to do time because he got caught with an ounce the day before it was legal. At the same time, all his friends are now walking into the dispensary and buying gummies, kush and vape cartridges while their friend is getting punished for something now perfectly legal.


Ok, you want to play "what if" games. What do you do with the man sentenced to life in prison for the transportation of 50 tons of marijuana into the US two years before the law changed? Release him? or Keep him confined to serve his sentence? After all he broke the law prior to a change in the law. What if it was 10 years before? 5 years before? What if he broke the law over a 20 year period, but was not arrested until a week before the law change, should he not be tried for his 20 years of criminal activity?

The above is why laws have effective dates. Do X prior to date the law takes effect = you committed a crime and are subject to the penalties delineated in the present law. Do x after date the law take effect = no crime.
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 1:37 am
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3392 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:04 am to
Not a lawyer, but ex post facto mean anything here?
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1503 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:07 am to
ex post facto would be the other way around. Cannot be punished for an act committed before there was a law prohibiting such act.

ex post facto
eks" post fak'to
adjective

Formulated, enacted, or operating retroactively.Retroactive.Formulated or enacted after some event, and then retroactively applied to it.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15584 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 4:36 am to
As a libertarian I strongly support releasing and expunging the records of anyone convicted of something that’s decriminalized.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 5:29 am to
LSU didn’t just find this out two days ago like we did. They have been knowing about it. If they were going to fight it it would have already been done.
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4673 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 6:58 am to
quote:

Ok, you want to play "what if" games. What do you do with the man sentenced to life in prison for the transportation of 50 tons of marijuana into the US two years before the law changed? Release him? or Keep him confined to serve his sentence?


A simpler version of this would be if someone got a ticket for traveling 70mph in a 55mph zone and the following week the speed limit was revised from 55 to 70. Does the court still require the tickets to be paid? As frustrating and silly as it may seem, I believe the answer is yes.
Posted by BigLSUNut
Prairieville, La.
Member since Oct 2007
1382 posts
Posted on 8/25/23 at 8:03 am to


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bullshite, he broke the rules and got caught (turned in is more appropriate) and is being punished according to rules that were in place when the infraction occurred.
So, it would be OK if you aided a runaway slave while that activity was illegal and then years after if became legal, you were punished for it.
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