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re: If JJ performed like in 09, and so far in 10' but had 2008 defense
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:45 am to slackster
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:45 am to slackster
quote:Tons of them.
Tell me a drill where regardless of the WR or his SPEED, the QB is supposed to throw it to the same location?
release drills, timing drills, the list goes on.
quote:So it isn't to work on deficiencies, ball position, etc?
The point of fall drills is for the QBs to get the timing down with the WRs.
quote:It seems that way because he comes under the most undeserved criticism.
You have defended one and only one player on this board, and that is JJ.
quote:That already happened.
I want a QB to win the job because he is the best chance for this team to win.
ETA:
quote:Do you know that the guy didn't lay up on the route?
JJ overthrew a guy. Deal with it.
You need to re-watch the vid. Either WR speed was unimportant to the drill, or we have a shitload of lazy WR's.
This post was edited on 9/21/10 at 9:48 am
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:48 am to EricB
quote:
Yeah, he throws the ball with the nose down.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:48 am to Roaad
quote:
Early camp practice videos are pretty worthless for talent evaluation.
agreed...but after 3 years, most folks who have watched objectively can see that Lee has the better passing skills of the two...accuracy, release, ball quality, etc. Doesn't mean he is the more productive QB, doesn't mean he should play over JJ.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:50 am to just me
quote:
Lee has a better arm based upon:
Accuracy: No, you don't mean that.
Arm strength: No, you don't mean that.
Authority: Yes, that is what you mean. The gold standard of a better arm.
Accuracy in every practice video is as good or better than JJ's. Accuracy in one pass against Vandy was better than 20 attempts from JJ that game.
However, HISTORICALLY, JL has been less accurate than JJ, so no real point in arguing based on that. Also, most people grade accuracy by itself.
Arm strength is interesting. I think JJ has the leverage and ability to throw a ball further than JL, but every practice video, and by all accounts, JL throws the ball with more velocity in practice than JJ. Now, like I said before, JJ's velocity is certainly adequate, just not that of JL on most throws.
Authority? Meh, bad word choice
For the 5th time in this thread, I think JJ is a better QB, but it is generally accepted by most everyone I talk to and from what I have seen that JL has a better arm.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:50 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
The expectations we put on our QBs are ridiculous.
not disagreeing, but the limitations of the QB position is one of the factors at play right now. Regardless of what you think of the coaching staff, their flaws are not difficult to see.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:50 am to ForeLSU
quote:disagree. numbers just don't support.
accuracy
quote:Yes. JJ has an awful release.
release
quote:meh. I do think JJ needs to work on his touch
ball quality
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:55 am to Roaad
quote:
disagree. numbers just don't support.
you can't really base this just off numbers because the types of throws, conditions, circumstances could be different...but from a pure passing standpoint, if you set up a drill of 50 throws to a variety of routes, I'm sure most would put their money on Lee to win the competition...again, I'm talking about pure passing skills, not the ability to compete during a game
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:55 am to Roaad
quote:
release drills
You think an underthrown fade route is an example of the QBs working on release drills.
Did you see a cone or some type of area that JJ was supposed to be throwing to?
It is a deep fade and it was underthrown.
quote:
timing drills
A fade is not a timing route. A curl is. An out route is. Not a fade. Not unless you are on the 15 yard line and you are throwing a jump ball, and based on the lack of DBs in the drill, that is certainly not what they are doing.
Look Roaad, find one video of JJ outperforming JL in passing drills in the last 6 months?
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:55 am to Roaad
Fwiw, I yelled at my son for throwing like JJ.
He dropped the ball below his hip to wind up and throw.
I told him if I see the ball drop below his chest, he loses 30 minutes of computer time.
He dropped the ball below his hip to wind up and throw.
I told him if I see the ball drop below his chest, he loses 30 minutes of computer time.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:58 am to EricB
quote:He definitely sucked in the Vandy game, but played a solid game against State, and a solid 1st half against UNC (not asked to do anything in the 2nd half).
Now that JJ is SUCKING in games, you wish to go back and fight your original concete that JL is indeed better than JJ in practice.
What makes you think JL would be any better, despite your belief he used to be better in practices 2 years ago (do they give points for that?). No one is arguing that JJ should be a Heisman candidate, so you can continue to harp on his struggles, and not many people will argue with you. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by that though. Your problem is that JL has shown no one with any authority (even at practice, where you think he's Joe Namath) that he should be the starter.
I'll take the qb who came off of a solid game, as opposed to the qb who you think might have played a solid game if given the chance.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:59 am to slackster
quote:No, it is a ball position route, where you put the ball in the same place every time.
A fade is not a timing route.
quote:The first vid looked like QB release drills. Trying to get the ball out quickly.
You think an underthrown fade route is an example of the QBs working on release drills.
quote:That's in solo drills. With the WR's you specify a yardline or spot on the field.
Did you see a cone or some type of area that JJ was supposed to be throwing to?
An example is the <10 fade. You use the back corner of the EZ as the ball spot.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:02 am to slackster
quote:Why would I use early camp vids after just telling you they are absolutely worthless for talent evaluation?
Look Roaad, find one video of JJ outperforming JL in passing drills in the last 6 months?
Murphy looked better than Scott and Williams last year in spring practice. . .what did that mean?
nothing.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:05 am to Roaad
I am not trying to use a video from practice to warrant JL playing time
But it is good evidence of skills. And I believe, along with about 85% of the board, that JL has a better arm than JJ. You do not. I can obviously not convince you so I give up and this thread will die the slow death of so many other JJ/JL arguments
But did you know that your son has only 2 less TDs in the air for LSU than JJ does. Tell him he should be proud.
But it is good evidence of skills. And I believe, along with about 85% of the board, that JL has a better arm than JJ. You do not. I can obviously not convince you so I give up and this thread will die the slow death of so many other JJ/JL arguments
But did you know that your son has only 2 less TDs in the air for LSU than JJ does. Tell him he should be proud.
This post was edited on 9/21/10 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:09 am to NaturalBeam
quote:Sorry, but JJ is struggling. He looked better versus MSU than Vandy, sure. But did he look like he was comfortable, in charge of the game? Not to me. And the short pass calls he was getting more than suggest he didn't look too "on top" of things to the coaches either. Some of this is on the receivers who dropped some good enough passes. Some of this is on the play-calling. Some of this is on JJ himself. I think he (and the team) would benefit from some bench time, not as punishment, but as a learning experience. Getting to watch another QB out there might help him process whatever isn't working for him and maybe come out of it in time to have a great senior year at QB.
What makes you think JL would be any better...
Plus, if JL never gets in except in very short and non-crucial increments, how is anybody going to really know what he is now capable of as a junior QB who could also have a stand-out season as a senior?
Not if, but when CLM is forced to put JL into the game when it matters, I hope it won't already be too late.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:12 am to JawjaTigah
quote:
What makes you think JL would be any better...
Sorry, but JJ is struggling. He looked better versus MSU than Vandy, sure. But did he look like he was comfortable, in charge of the game? Not to me. And the short pass calls he was getting more than suggest he didn't look too "on top" of things to the coaches either. Some of this is on the receivers who dropped some good enough passes. Some of this is on the play-calling. Some of this is on JJ himself. I think he (and the team) would benefit from some bench time, not as punishment, but as a learning experience. Getting to watch another QB out there might help him process whatever isn't working for him and maybe come out of it in time to have a great senior year at QB.
I asked for a reason that JL would be better, and not one word about JL's abilities.....only negative remarks about JJ's performance and his mental state. That pretty much tells me everything I need to know...Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:31 am to ForeLSU
quote:
It seems that way because he comes under the most undeserved criticism.
1.) His most impressive performance was in the Chik-fil-A game, 2008.
2.) The excuses he made to the media this year about his performances and his lack of approval for the crowds "unrealistic expectations" speak alot for how much coaching he's recieved. Coaches should push their players to get better, a player that responds to criticism with excuses like that tells me maybe his coaches have been more concerned about his ego than sitting there telling him what he's doing wrong.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:36 am to EricB
quote:
I asked for a reason that JL would be better, and not one word about JL's abilities.....only negative remarks about JJ's performance and his mental state. That pretty much tells me everything I need to know...
There's plenty of video's on here showing JL's accuracy is much better than JJ's. People probably didn't respond to you because they assumed that you'd have already viewed these video's and formed your own opinion.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:46 am to EricB
So you want to start JL b/c of a 2 minute video from practice? Wow. Was Les absent that day at practice? Why don't you think he is playing JL if he is clearly better?
Posted on 9/21/10 at 10:54 am to NaturalBeam
quote:
Why don't you think he is playing JL if he is clearly better?
If he loses a game, he'll take a lot more heat if he puts JL in the game than if he lost it with JJ.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:32 am to EricB
quote:
I told him if I see the ball drop below his chest, he loses 30 minutes of computer time
You should lose 30 min of playing time for encouraging your kid to play on the wrong side of the ball. We all know Defense is where the real men are.
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