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re: If JJ performed like in 09, and so far in 10' but had 2008 defense

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Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:18 am to
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Last game was the first in the last 6 of JJ's starts that he didn't personally turn the ball over himself ATLEAST one time.
What was the last game Lee did not turn the ball over in which he got meaningful snaps?
Posted by EricB
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:18 am to
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Vandy 40% (away, BCS opponent, 2nd game) >>>>> La Tech 32% (home, WAC opponent, 10th game).


La Tech = last year ; vandy = this year.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:20 am to
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La Tech = last year ; vandy = this year.

Which performance should Lee be evaluated under, then?

My theory? You idiots grade Lee by JJ's performance.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:24 am to
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There is MUCH debate over who has the better arm.


Because of JJ apologist like yourself. Is it warranted? frick no.

Would some video links work for you?

Here ya go

Here ya go again
Posted by just me
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:24 am to
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Jordan Jefferson cant move offense
Except that he moved the offence into scoring position on five of six drives against MSU.

You know, if you want to ignore the most recent game because it does not support your belief, go ahead and do so.

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Jordan Jefferson has trouble throwing for 100 yards
Only when the receivers drop the ball and the coaches don't call many passes.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:26 am to
Better arm?

As in who can throw it further?

It's probably Jefferson, but they're close.
Posted by Lsutim3
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:26 am to
Oh yea I forgot. Getting 4 field goals is moving offense after your defense got 5 ints that Damn near put them in field goal range already. shite dude. Nice try though.
Posted by just me
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:27 am to
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I use passing yards.. completion %... Yards per completion... all terrible....

Not to mention if its 3rd and 5 you can bank on it JJ with only throw 3 yard pass
Lee has had five games in which he passed for 40% or less. Five out of twelve. That's not good. And those five games came in his last seven games.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:27 am to
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Only when the receivers drop the bal


Ok, everyone deals with drops, but I will give you this one.

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the coaches don't call many passes.



And you think that has NOTHING to do with JJ's abilities?
Posted by Sammobile
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:28 am to
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Lsutim3
LINK

Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:29 am to
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Oh yea I forgot. Getting 4 field goals is moving offense after your defense got 5 ints that Damn near put them in field goal range already. shite dude. Nice try though.


In complete honesty, of those five drives, how many do you believe stalled due to Jefferson's play?
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:30 am to
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As in who can throw it further?


No, I mean who can throw it with more velocity on medium to long routes. JL has always throw those passes with more authority. Look, I have not advocated for JJ's benching and I do not think that Lee is a better all around QB, but for Christ's sake, he has a better arm. He makes bad decisions, but he has the better arm.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:30 am to
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Here ya go

Shows that #8 is better than both, if viewed in a vacuum.

Both JJ and Lee miss on one pass each.

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Here ya go again

WTF???!!! JJ put the ball in the same spot on every throw.

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JJ apologist
I am an LSU apologist.
Posted by EricB
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:31 am to
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What was the last game Lee did not turn the ball over in which he got meaningful snaps?


Interesting that you'd ask this question because the answer is indeed LA TECH 2009. The real question is why are we having to compare a 2008 JL to 2010 JJ. JJ's performance in 2010 thus far should be reason enough to have seen "meaningful" snaps from JL. Then again, it took JL getting hurt to see JJ come in 2008. CLM hasn't learned from 2008 obviously.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:31 am to
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As in who can throw it further?

It's probably Jefferson
bet he'd need 20 seconds for the wind up. . .
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:32 am to
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No, I mean who can throw it with more velocity on medium to long routes. JL has always throw those passes with more authority. Look, I have not advocated for JJ's benching and I do not think that Lee is a better all around QB, but for Christ's sake, he has a better arm. He makes bad decisions, but he has the better arm.


Dude, Jefferson has an absolute cannon. In fact, sometimes I think he throws it too hard.

Not that Lee's arm is bad, but because it isn't. If anything the difference between the two is minimal.

And arm velocity isn't one of our problems.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:32 am to
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The real question is why are we having to compare a 2008 JL to 2010 JJ
What else is there to base it on? Hopes and dreams?
Posted by just me
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:32 am to
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Here ya go

Here ya go again
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:32 am to
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WTF???!!! JJ put the ball in the same spot on every throw.


Hopeless. I guess his last pass was the WRs fault? LMAO he over threw him. You cannot throw to the same spot regardless of the receiver lmfao.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 9:32 am to
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of those five drives, how many do you believe stalled due to Jefferson's play?


all of them...if the staff had more confidence in Jefferson, they might have called more aggressive stuff.


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