re: "If BH could just be average...."

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When is the last time LSU had an average quarterback? They seem to either be exceptional (Mettenberger, Jamarcus), or horrendous (no need to mention names).

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Lee 2011.
If you projected his stats in just his 8 full games to the full 14 game season, it would read out 271 att 8.0 ypa 2187 yards 63.2% 21 TDs. Of course this does not include either game against Bama mind you.

Another would be Jefferson for 2009 in 12 games
296 att (7.3 ypa) 2166 pass yards 61.5% 17 TDs 7 ints, 171 rush yards 1 TD

Even Mett in 2012 turned out to be right below average when you put his entire season on display
352 att (7.4 ypa) 2609 pass yards 58.8% 12 TDs 7 ints

I mean had Mett scored 3 more TDs, he would have had a similar stat line as sophomore Russell.

Really only 2008, 2010, and 2014 can you truly classify as awful for a single QB, or team passing

All QBs, but QBs only, Passing
Four really good seasons
2005 - 8.0 ypa 2900 pass yards 60% 22 TDs, 1 rush TD
2006 - 8.9 ypa 3272 pass yards 66.6% 30 TDs 9 ints, 241 rush yards 2 TDs
2007 - 7.1 ypa 3110 pass yards 58.2% 29 TDs 13 ints, 449 yards 6 TDs
2013 - 10.0 ypa 3263 pass yards 63% 23 TDs 9 ints, 2 rush TDs

Two average but still efficient seasons
2009 - 7.0 ypa 2363 pass yards 58.9% 19 TDs 8 ints, 148 rush yards 1 TD
2011 - 7.7 ypa 2135 pass yards 62.2% 20 TDs 5 ints, 248 rush yards 3 TDs

Below average season
2012 - 7.4 ypa 2609 pass yards 58.5% 12 TDs 7 ints

Bad seasons
2008 - 6.65 ypa 2574 pass yards 52.7% 20 TDs 18 ints, 166 rush yards 3 TDs
2010 - 6.65 ypa 1894 pass yards 57.7% 9 TDs 11 ints, 404 rush yards 7 TDs
2014 - 7.6 ypa 2074 pass yards 49.8% 17 TDs 9 ints, 452 rush yards 3 TDs

11-1 regular season. Bookmark this page. TIA

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Two average but still efficient seasons 
2009 - 7.0 ypa 2363 pass yards 58.9% 19 TDs 8 ints, 148 rush yards 1 TD 

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And that was with zero running game. If I remember correctly (I've proven to not in this thread) as team we ran for 170 yards or more 2 times and less than 110 yards 4 times.

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So yeah I don't expect a spread qb that has 1 career start to average 200 yards passing per game. But go ahead and continue to think he will.

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Spread QB? WTF are you talking about? He has had two springs, and two falls, learning from a former NFL QB coach whose college QB at Indiana smashed NCAA records at the time. Who took Brees from a tuck and run QB, to a more refined and calm in the pocket, utilize his mobility smartly QB. Who took a guy from an FCS winner to rookie of the year, to Super Bowl winner. Who built Philip Rivers into a top 10 QB (and was top 5 during his time). A guy who took Gus Frerotte to his only pro bowl. A guy that help build Trent Green. Harris went into LSU last spring saying he was very uncomfortable under center, and now, that has improved greatly in that regard. Knowing how to make checks at the line and read coverages and blitzes, and understanding the playbook, etc. Miles talks about his improved accuracy and ability to know what to do before the snap and right before he throws the ball. Coaches also talk about his improved footwork that he had trouble with last year and now knowing how mich to take off. Guy hs been working out hard during the summer. So much going on for this kid and yes he is now a pro style QB. IDGAF about pass history, Harris will break through that glass ceiling.

You can throw around the 6 QBs in the last 60 years stat all you want when you are trying to hide the fact that in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, and 2013, we've had a QB average at least 200 passing yards per game. Those are all under Miles's tenure. Two other QBs this century who have done it, are Davey and Mauck. So actually 5 QBs in the last 14 years. Nice try with your 60 year BS to make it seem more rare than it has been recently.

And don't give me the crap about "well, we pass more than they did back then" BS. The other couple of QBs in the top ten LSU passing seasons (Hodson, Wickersham) passed for as much or more per game than any LSU QB has done this century in their record seasons. Wickersham averaged 30 passes per game in 3 years of starting.

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Spread QB? WTF are you talking about?

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Are you serious? Outside of 1 year he has been a spread qb his entire life.

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whose college QB at Indiana smashed NCAA records at the time. Who took Brees from a tuck and run QB, to a more refined and calm in the pocket, utilize his mobility smartly QB. Who took a guy from an FCS winner to rookie of the year, to Super Bowl winner. Who built Philip Rivers into a top 10 QB (and was top 5 during his time). A guy who took Gus Frerotte to his only pro bowl. A guy that help build Trent Green. Harris went into LSU last spring saying he was very uncomfortable under center, and now, that has improved greatly in that regard

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I know who Cam Cameron is and his resume. That doesn't change the fact that Harris has been a spread qb his entire life except the last year and half at most.

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2005,2006

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1 player and he was more talented than Harris

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2007

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A 5th year senior averaged 200.5 passing yards per game with one of the best rushing attacks in lsu history

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2012, and 2013,

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1 player who is more talented than Harris



You clearly are using opinion and I'm using past facts. You're under the assumption that a true sophomore will average more passing yards per game than a 5th year senior Flynn when he has done nothing to prove he will. His one start resulted in his inability to know which way to turn to hand the ball off.



If Harris has a season slightly better than JJ'S 2009 season it will be a successful season.
2300 yards passing
20 tds
9 ints
62% compl
350 yard rushing
That is a season you should expect from a true sophomore making his 2nd career start.

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If Harris has a season slightly better than JJ'S 2009 season it will be a successful season. 2300 yards passing 20 tds 9 ints 62% compl 350 yard rushing That is a season you should expect from a true sophomore making his 2nd career start.

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Don't you realize that would have pretty much been Jefferson's stat line had he played an entire season? Actually, he would have had more passing yards than that. What you are saying is that I should expect nothing but a Jefferson season even though;

QB Coach
Jefferson - no
Harris - yes

OL, RB corps better than what Jefferson had even before the season.

Pass Catchers With Experience and Lots of Talent
Jefferson - LaFell, Toliver, Dickson (he may not have been very talented, but he was productive).
Harris - Dural, Dupre, Diarse, Quinn


Pass Catchers With Major Potential
Jefferson - Randle, Peterson (the TE)
Harris - Fournette, Guice, Chark, Johnson, Smith


So you are saying is that with all these advantages, Harris should only be as good as Jefferson. That's pretty much what you are saying isn't it?

Tebow didn't play much at qb during the Chris Leak yearthey share 50 percent of the snaps???.........voids your point.