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re: "If BH could just be average...."

Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:01 pm to
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If BHARRIS accounts for 250 yards per game then he will have the 3rd best total yardage season in lsu history. So if he does average 250 yards per game he will be an all time great.


Jameis Winston broke most of FSU's single season passing records. JT Barrett did the same and also the total yardage record in the Big 10. Johnny Manziel also broke the total yardage record in the SEC.

Nothing stands forever, and young guys and first year starters are breaking down records left and right. Did you know that Ohio State only had 2 QBs throw for more than 2551 yards in a season before Barrett? Did you know Barrett is one of only 5 OSU QBs that have thrown for over 2379 yards?

Did you know that 5 of the top 6 single season passing record holders at LSU come AFTER the year 2000, or that 3 of those top 6 came during Miles tenure?
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10580 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:13 pm to
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Yes it is. You can't expect a true sophomore to have the 3rd best yards per game season in lsu history.

You misunderstood. I meant that a clear improvement wasn't too much too expect.
Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:16 pm to
I think he will have to be better than average against 3 of out Western opponents! He will need to progress as the year develops...jmho
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20557 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:27 pm to
I certainly remember people on here crowning Jenniings king because of one touchdown pass against Arkansas.
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10580 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:38 pm to
I'm going with....

2400 yds Passing
15 Tds/7Int
59% Comp Rate

390 rushing 3 Tds
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47426 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:44 pm to

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Asking for 2700 yards with the type of talent and OC we have in these modern times geared towards offense, is not a lot

Holy shite. You're asking a true sophomore with 1 career start to have the 3rd most prolific passing attack in lsu history.
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You have just been brainwashed by the 4 years between Flynn and Mett w

No I'm not. It's not normal for a true sophomore to have one of the best passing seasons ever at a top 15 alltime program. 2700 yards passing smashes the passing season of a 5th year season flynn.
quote:

It's actually insane that it would rate that high in LSU history

What? Are you under the assumption that most cfb qbs have 62% compl rate?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47426 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:48 pm to
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Jameis Winston broke most of FSU's single season passing records. JT Barrett did the same and also the total yardage record in the Big 10. Johnny Manziel also broke the total yardage record in the SEC. 


Surely you realize those are the outliers.

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Did you know that 5 of the top 6 single season passing record holders at LSU come AFTER the year 200

Yes. We also play more games now so most passing stats totals are somewhat inflated. That doesn't change the fact that only 3 qbs in lsu history had 250 yards of offense per game and none were true sophomores.

Bottomline,asking a true sophomore to have one of the most prolific passing attacks in lsu is asking and expecting too much.
The Winstons, Manziel's and Barrett are outliers. Not the norm.
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47426 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 8:48 pm to
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2400 yds Passing 
15 Tds/7Int 
59% Comp Rate 



This is doable.
Posted by goatman1419
Prairieville,LA
Member since Jan 2007
3070 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 9:12 pm to
Because he's going to be a first year starter in the SEC. Name one first year starter in the SEC in the last 15 years that was "exceptional". That is that didn't get a ton of playing time the year or years before. Ala Flynn, Tebow and so on. That alone shows your football knowledge is lacking. Typical fantard.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29720 posts
Posted on 9/2/15 at 10:50 pm to
I'm thinking 2500 is about where Harris ends up. Maybe 22/12..

But stop comparing his potential numbers to past LSU seasons that played at least one less games. And many times, 2 or more fewer games.

2700 yards in a 13 game season is 207 a game. Not unrealistic for a good QB

Apple's and oranges man.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28071 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:16 am to
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Surely you realize those are the outliers.


Sure it's an outlier because not many redshirt freshman and true freshmen are starting, but it is beginning to change. Look at Watson and Kaaya last year, true freshman. Anu Solomon redshirt freshman. Brett Hundley and Marcus Mariota a couple of years ago. Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, and Colin Kaepernick were redshirt freshmen as well who dominated. Josh Rosen will start this year as a true freshman and Jared Goff lit it up 2 years ago as a true freshman. The dynamic is starting to change.

I'm not even expecting him to put up 4000 yards or 40 TDs year one, I just used that as an example of guys with no prior experience, dominating their first year. I mean look at Aaron Murray as a redshirt freshman.

342 attempts 61.1% 8.9 ypa 3049 yards 24 TDs 8 ints 167 rush yards 4 TDs

Brad Kaaya as a true freshman

378 attempts 58.5% 8.5 ypa 3198 yards 26 TDs 12 ints

There are also guys that played very little if at all as redshirt freshman, then dominated as RSSo like Bryn Renner, Kirk Cousins, Keith Price, Casey Pachall, etc.

Jordan freaking Jefferson put up 2160 yards and 17 TDs at 61% through the air with a truly awful OL as a sophomore.

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Yes. We also play more games now so most passing stats totals are somewhat inflated. That doesn't change the fact that only 3 qbs in lsu history had 250 yards of offense per game and none were true sophomores.


Nope. You may be right if we were discussing 60s and prior, but there is a 3 decade prior to 2000 that teams passed the ball regularly. LSU hasn't gone to a pass heavy offense so I don't know what you are getting at.

LSU Top 10 passing seasons and their attempts per game
1) Davey 30.8
2) Russell 26.3
3) Mett 24.6
4) Mauck 25.5
5) Hodson 28.8
6) Mett 27
7) Wickersham 30.6 (averaged 30.1 attempts per game during his 3 years starting)
8) Flynn 29.9
9) Russell 25.9
10) Hodson 26.1 (26.4 attempts per game during his career)

WhoTF cares if they were or not? New year, modern times. Mett threw for 3000 yards and didn't even throw the ball 300 times. Harris has all the tools, he has the system, he has the QB coaching, he has the OL, and he had ridiculous receiving talent in every direction from WR to TE to RB to FB. Miles even stated today, that this is the most WR talent he's ever had. Expect great things, don't be a modest party pooper.

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Bottomline,asking a true sophomore to have one of the most prolific passing attacks in lsu is asking and expecting too much. The Winstons, Manziel's and Barrett are outliers. Not the norm.


Asking him? Don't need to, I believe he can do it. You guys are setting your sights way too low. Like I said, I'll eat crow if he doesn't, but I see this kid having a breakout year. There are always a couple a year, why can't it be LSU's this year?
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 3:46 am
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28071 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:32 am to
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2400 yds Passing
15 Tds/7Int
59% Comp Rate

390 rushing 3 Tds


Are you talking about just in SEC play?

He had 160 yards and 3 TDs last year on only 26 carries. He had 6 passing TDs on 45 attempts last year. For comparison, Jennings had 6 TD passes in non conference games.

With his superior talent and his experienced, talented, and deep supporting cast, he only puts up 9 more passing TDs? Do people not understand what progression is? I know people want to be cautious of him potential wise, but to the point of only 15 TD passes?

I guess I could agree with 2400 pass yards if he didn't throw the ball worth a flip, but I expect them to throw the ball a way more than they did last year.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47426 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:49 am to
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2700 yards in a 13 game season is 207 a game. Not unrealistic for a good QB 


Lol. It would be the third highest passing yards per game in since 2001.
You're asking a true sophomore to have more passing yards per game than 5th year senior Matt Flynn. Hell Mett the 2nd best passing season in lsu history and he threw for 237 a game.

If B Harris has a season like JJ in 2009, but takes far less sacks, it will be a success.
2300
17tds
7 ints
62% completion

Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
69669 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 2:50 am to
thank you.

Brandon Harris lit it up outside of the one game in very limited time.

He also should have had one more TD credit as I believe Quinn scored.. and 1 int was a hail mary attempt.

That would put him accounting for 10 TDs and 1 true INT just last season as a true freshman in INCREDIBLY limited time.. (7 passing, 3 rushing)

Think about that.. regardless of competition.. he was a true freshman without much grasp. Now all reports are he has grasp the game so much better.. as this comes with time. Harris is a special player. I truly believe he can account for 20+ TDs this season.


Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28071 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:00 am to
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Because he's going to be a first year starter in the SEC. Name one first year starter in the SEC in the last 15 years that was "exceptional". That is that didn't get a ton of playing time the year or years before. Ala Flynn, Tebow and so on. That alone shows your football knowledge is lacking. Typical fantard.



Eli Manning 2943 pass yards 33 total TDs
Jevan Snead 2762 pass yards 60 rush yards 29 total TDs
Aaron Murray 3049 pass yards 167 rush yards 28 total TDs
Blake Sims 3487 pass yards 350 rush yards 35 TDs

Each one had either zero experience, or around as many pass and rush attempts as Harris
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28071 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 3:31 am to
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Holy shite. You're asking a true sophomore with 1 career start to have the 3rd most prolific passing attack in lsu history.


Holy shite it's a prediction, get over it. 207 yards passing per game (2700 yards) would rank him 62nd last year for a QB. That's middle of the got damn road.

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No I'm not. It's not normal for a true sophomore to have one of the best passing seasons ever at a top 15 alltime program. 2700 yards passing smashes the passing season of a 5th year season flynn.


LOL, yes, yes you are. Do you know Flynn averaged a paltry 6.7 ypa? Jennings averaged 7.1 and he was almost as awful as could be and he was throwing to a bunch of inexperienced freshman WRs. Guy, 207 ypg, it's not a lot.

Jefferson averaged 180.7 passing yards per game and 61.5% as a true sophomore with a truly awful OL, zero QB coach, and a beyond horrendous OC. You mean Harris can't complete 3 more passes than that per game? With everything going against him, including a super awful running game that 2013 Jeremy Hill outdid all by himself, Jefferson still put up 17 passing TDs and didn't even play a full 12 games.

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What? Are you under the assumption that most cfb qbs have 62% compl rate?


2014
36 QBs completed at least 62% of their passes last year, 44 at least 61% and 50 at least 60%.

2013
48 QBs completed at least 62% of passes, 55 at least 61%, and 64 at least 60%

2012
54 QBs completed at least 62% of passes, 56 at least 61%, and 65 at least 60%

2011
45 at least 62%, 57 at least 61%, 66 at least 60%

2010
41 at least 62%, 50 at least 61%, 55 at least 60%

Again, not predicting the world. I'm also not hoping for average either.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:49 am to
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Those are excellent numbers.


That's the first time I heard excellent used in the same sentence with Lee. They were good numbers, but not excellent.

I didn't say it wasn't an important position. I said the QB play alone doesn't decide a teams fate. If it did, why didn't we play for more in 2013 and how did we get to the NCG in 2011?

The offensive and defensive line play are both of more importance to the success of this team than whoever starts at QB.

Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10580 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:26 am to
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Are you talking about just in SEC play?

He had 160 yards and 3 TDs last year on only 26 carries. He had 6 passing TDs on 45 attempts last year. For comparison, Jennings had 6 TD passes in non conference games.

With his superior talent and his experienced, talented, and deep supporting cast, he only puts up 9 more passing TDs? Do people not understand what progression is? I know people want to be cautious of him potential wise, but to the point of only 15 TD passes?

I guess I could agree with 2400 pass yards if he didn't throw the ball worth a flip, but I expect them to throw the ball a way more than they did last year.

Not just in SEC play

I think he will progress, but more in terms of the mental side. I think if the O-line comes together as expected, we will feed Fournette and friends a lot. Harris won't be asked to do a lot. Look at Jamarcus' numbers in his 2nd year. They are similar to my projections for Harris.


Is it possible at he could exceed these numbers? Yes
Do I expect that to happen? No

Next year is his year and I believe it will be HUGE. That goes for he whole team. We will have so much experienced talent it will be ridiculous!
Posted by minvielle
Youngsville, LA
Member since Nov 2014
4364 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:37 am to
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Holy shite it's a prediction, get over it. 207 yards passing per game (2700 yards) would rank him 62nd last year for a QB. That's middle of the got damn road.


It's amazing how low our expectations have dropped for our passing game (and it's understandable given how bad it has been at times); but I have to agree that these numbers are not that far fetched. 2013 proved that it is indeed possible for LSU to have a respectable passing game. I know it's hard to let yourself believe it, but it can be done.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24535 posts
Posted on 9/3/15 at 9:48 am to
If BH is just average, Miles will never trust them to throw and we will have a bad season. We need BH to be every bit elite as his talent would suggest.
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