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re: I still don't understand why we didn't go after Kendall Briles as OC.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:14 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:14 pm to lsufball19
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How bad would our AD look if they hired Briles and thereafter this trial starts and a lot more comes out that wasn't previously made known to the general public. Not to mention, Briles has a clause in his contract with Houston that says they have the right to fire him for cause if any new allegations of past misconduct comes to light, so they clearly still have concerns.
So hire him and put the same clause in his contract. Worst case scenario, you have to fire him mid season and name Ensminger OC.
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:38 pm to lsufball19
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Maybe maybe not. No one knew the depths of Zach Smith until they did. How bad would our AD look if they hired Briles and thereafter this trial starts and a lot more comes out that wasn't previously made known to the general public. Not to mention, Briles has a clause in his contract with Houston that says they have the right to fire him for cause if any new allegations of past misconduct comes to light, so they clearly still have concerns. There's a reason no major program has hired him, and we were not the only major program in the country looking for an OC last year.
I get what you’re saying, but I’ll add that this isn’t a case like Zach Smith at OSU. The scandal is already out there and has been for years. This is the third season since Art was fired. What I’m saying is I dont Know how many skeletons could still be left in that closet after every report that’s come out.
I thinknits Still an optics thing. Also he’s young and a lot of people aren’t going to risk the optics tills he’s done a little more
On his own. He’ll get look if Houston keeps racking up points. And then the media might do the job for the P5 schools. If Houston is a 10 win team he will be a hot enough name that someone will pull the trigger with all the dirt they have.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:42 pm to Tim
Rape, sexual assault arrests cover ups. I don't know your probably right we should have hired him.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:44 pm to UpToPar
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So hire him and put the same clause in his contract. Worst case scenario, you have to fire him mid season and name Ensminger OC.
When did it become the norm for our fans to have a "go for broke" attitude with any and everything with the athletic department? Desperation is such a bad look. There are plenty of good coaches out there that don't have that kind of baggage. No, I did not like the Ensimnger hire, but good lord, these conversations always go from, we shouldn't have hired Ensminger but should have instead hired this coach no one will touch and for good reason. Why can't it be, instead of Ensimnger we should have gone after "insert coach with good resume and no baggage." But instead of having rational discussion about good candidates, this board throws out names they know good and well are untouchable for any P5 program and then say our AD is stupid for not hiring them. It's insane.
Honestly, y'all sound like Ole Miss fans, not worried at all at the residual effects later, only about today. If you want our AD to continue to show incompetence, then by all means push for hires like Briles and hope they don't blow up in our faces. Sure worked out for Ole Miss when they had their heads in the sand about Hugh Freeze.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:45 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Let’s out it this way,
FSU still has a trophy from 2013 with an someone accused of rape on their team.
The optics are the optics. Points are points.
FSU still has a trophy from 2013 with an someone accused of rape on their team.
The optics are the optics. Points are points.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:47 pm to SammyTiger
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FSU still has a trophy from 2013 with an someone accused of rape on their team.
The optics are the optics. Points are points.
did that happen before or after he was at FSU because it's kind of an important distinction in this scenario?
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:51 pm to lsufball19
Happened at FSU. Tallahassee PD covered it up.
And they found out about it at the beginning of the 2013 season.
Winston never missed a game for it, and played 2 full seasons.
New too CFB? This was kinda of a huge story not too long ago.
And they found out about it at the beginning of the 2013 season.
Winston never missed a game for it, and played 2 full seasons.
New too CFB? This was kinda of a huge story not too long ago.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:12 pm to SammyTiger
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Happened at FSU. Tallahassee PD covered it up.
And they found out about it at the beginning of the 2013 season.
Winston never missed a game for it, and played 2 full seasons.
New too CFB? This was kinda of a huge story not too long ago.
it was a rhetorical question, guy. Winston was already there when it happened, so it's not the same situation as it would have been had the allegations been made prior to his arrival. We already knew about Briles' allegations, so the two situations are not the same. We don't suspend players either who haven't been charged with anything in situations like that (or until they are), so I'm not sure why you think that's at all relevant to this discussion.Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:17 pm to lsufball19
It WORSE how is it not so much worse?
Because his whole discussion is about optics
Has Kendall Briles been charged with anything?
How is it better to have your current player accused of rape than an OC you hired named in a law suit from 3 years prior?
Because his whole discussion is about optics
Has Kendall Briles been charged with anything?
How is it better to have your current player accused of rape than an OC you hired named in a law suit from 3 years prior?
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:31 pm to SammyTiger
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It WORSE how is it not so much worse?
It's worse to be accused of something and not be charged by the DA than to have an active lawsuit when you're trying to find a job?
What kind of fantasy land do you live in where prospective employers don't or shouldn't care about that? Let's say you want to work at a Fortune 500 company as their VP but you have a pending lawsuit where it is alleged that you facilitated a culture of rape at your previous place of employment. Let's also say you're one of the best VP out there. Do you think that company is going to hire you? Do you think that company would be justified in not hiring you?
Here's a second scenario, same company. Said company has a top salesman that is accused of sexual assault. No charges have been filed and inevitably no charges are ever filed and the investigation is subsequently closed. Do you think said salesman would be held to the same standard as a VP? Do you think he should be fired from a job he already had?
This is the part of the conversation where adults use reason and not their desire to win football games at any cost.
As i stated earlier, this desperation attitude is not a good look for our fan base. There are plenty of qualified candidates around the country that do not have the baggage Briles does. There would be much more productive conversations here if our fans weren't so adamant about pushing to hiring coaches that no big time program will touch at the present time, and for good reason. Same thing goes for Hugh Freeze. As a head coach, he is held to a higher standard, and no AD in their right mind was going to hire him to be a HC or OC immediately following his firing given how and why he was fired. So if you want to call our AD stupid for not entertaining their hires, then you also need to call every AD in the country at a P5 school stupid as well.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:45 pm to lsufball19
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It's worse to be accused of something and not be charged by the DA than to have an active lawsuit when you're trying to find a job?
You know Winston was also sued right?
Was K Briles charged with adding and abetting a crime? Or anything?
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What kind of fantasy land do you live in where prospective employers don't or shouldn't care about that? Let's say you want to work at a Fortune 500 company as their VP but you have a pending lawsuit where it is alleged that you facilitated a culture of rape at your previous place of employment. Let's also say you're one of the best VP out there. Do you think that company is going to hire you? Do you think that company would be justified in not hiring you?
I am Not saying we shouldn’t care. I said, it would be a different story if we did our due diligence and passed. I font Think we did. If he’s really a game changing VP an furtube 500 company is going to actually vette that individual.
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Here's a second scenario, same company. Said company has a top salesman that is accused of sexual assault. No charges have been filed and inevitably no charges are ever filed and the investigation is subsequently closed. Do you think said salesman would be held to the same standard as a VP? Do you think he should be fired from a job he already had?
Not what happened. The TPD covered up and blew the investigation to the point where the DA couldn’t sue. If you’re salemen was all over the news and it was clear that he raped someone and the police covered it up and fricked up the case to the point where it could never be prosecuted, would you keep that salesman on staff?
You’re hypo involves the salesman actually being innocent, and charges not being filed just because there wasn’t enough evidence.
Name the candidates then, because Briles has an offense that’s top 5 pretty much wherever with whoever and he is cheap and available. That’s why people are saying his name.
And we’re playing hypotheticals. FSU got roasted by the media, paid $950K and yet...
They still have the trophy.
So again from an optics standpoint how is hiring a guy accused of promoting rape culture that much worse?
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 12:17 pm to Swagga
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I could swear I read that the BoT would not sign off on a Briles hire and the SEC was blocking freeze from going anywhere.
It wasnt the Board of Trustees, it was Alleva, When Oregeron called Kiffen to come kiffen recommended Briles, Oregeron took that to Alleva and it was shut down quick. There was basically one phone call made during the OC hiring process.. kiffen... orgeron wanted briles but went to alleva to ask for permission and it was shut down quick... Ive said it 1000 times... Briles offense is the best offense for Louisiana talent... it is a spread offense with a power run game. put as many athletes as you can on the field and get the ball into the hands of the playmakers. Its all simple 1-2 read offense and would work wonders with out RB's that the state produces... imagine fournette or guice running against 5-6 guys in a box... its insane.. The younger one didnt do shite...he should have been the first phone call made...
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