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re: I really hope the defensive players come back
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:18 pm to ZereauxSum
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:18 pm to ZereauxSum
Because he was handled this year by people in college.
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Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:21 pm to ZereauxSum
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Remeber, Tyson Jackson was taken 3rd over all with absolute crap numbers his last year.
Yeah, that's true. I'm not sure what the scouts look at sometimes though.
Tyson's career high for sacks in an NFL season is 1. So that hasn't really worked out.
Mingo is really fast, but I could imagine him getting pushed around in the NFL at his weight. Then if he puts on weight, he may not be as fast. Who knows...
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:21 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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He was more explosive than Mingo this year. His stats show it too
Not talking about stats. Watch the game film. A lot of Sam's sacks/TFL's came on extended plays. Rarely was he the first to get pressure on the QB. Look, I like Sam as much as anyone and really like what he's meant to the program; but I don't think his tape shows what I'd be looking for in a 1st or 2nd round DE. I expect those guys to be very disruptive and forcing OC's to account for them in their blocking schemes as well as play selection. Don't think Sam is at that level right now.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:22 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Mingo is really fast, but I could imagine him getting pushed around in the NFL at his weight.
he won't be at DE in the NFL though..
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:24 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
From the player's perspective, what choice is there if he has a good chance of being drafted relatively high? It is a shot at making some good money that may not happen again. The top players are in it to cash in. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:25 pm to tiger81
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1 Because he was handled this year by people in college.
Was that because of his size or because he simply didn't play consistently?
He sure wasn't getting "handled" his sophomore year, playing a little smaller.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:25 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Tyson Jackson was picked purely on his measurables (height, weight, decent speed) and his "upward" potential. Part of his problem, as is Dorsey's, is playing in a 3-4 at KC. Both are 4-3 types...TJ at DE and GD at DT. Neither are well suited for a 3-4.
This is one of the areas KC has royally screwed in the draft. They picked defensive players with a lot of skill that didn't fit their defensive scheme.
This is one of the areas KC has royally screwed in the draft. They picked defensive players with a lot of skill that didn't fit their defensive scheme.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:29 pm to FlyingTiger06
What difference does it make ? He still had a mediocre year. I imagine the Badger comin'from the other side two years ago helped him out.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:30 pm to FlyingTiger06
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. Part of his problem, as is Dorsey's, is playing in a 3-4 at KC. Both are 4-3 types...TJ at DE and GD at DT. Neither are well suited for a 3-4.
This.
Don't get why more people don't understand this
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:33 pm to tiger81
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Mingo will get handled all day in the NFL
Maybe he could play LB.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:38 pm to tiger81
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What difference does it make ? He still had a mediocre year
The difference is NFL scouts will drool over Mingo's combination of size/speed. They will see him as a guy who could put a hand in the ground to rush or stand up to either rush or help in run/pass defense. This is what makes Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware so great. Mingo is similar.
On the other hand, Montgomery is a 4-3 type DE. He has to be able to be explosive off the ball and get pressure by himself.
IMO we've struggled getting consistent pressure with just our front 4 this year. Even though our DE's have some sacks/TFL's, most of those have come when we've sent an extra LB or DB on a blitz. This extra rusher was picked up and left the DE uncovered.
Again, I like Sam and think he's a great Tiger but taking off the P&G glasses, right now I would give him a mid 2nd or early 3rd Round grade based on his game tape. Not explosive enough for me to take in the first round.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:39 pm to ForeLSU
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he won't be at DE in the NFL though..
That could be, but that's taking a risk on someone playing a new position at big boy level. If I'm gonna blow a lot of money, I want to be pretty confident that it will be a good fit.
. Part of his problem, as is Dorsey's, is playing in a 3-4 at KC. Both are 4-3 types...TJ at DE and GD at DT. Neither are well suited for a 3-4.
This.
Don't get why more people don't understand this
True, but for Tyson, he only had 4.5 sacks his senior year as it was.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:40 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
Mingo is gone. He will get his degree in May.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:41 pm to ZereauxSum
Guys I think we lose the 3 M's ,Logan and maybe Reid.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:43 pm to Tiger79
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Logan
I wouldn't go higher than 3rd round on Logan. I think he's gained too much weight and has lost any quickness he had. If he goes, he better land on a team that runs a 3-4 and needs a run-stuffer NT.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:51 pm to ZereauxSum
We shall see. How many people thought Barrett jones would come back? We don't know.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:54 pm to White Tiger
Everyone is impressed with A. Smith of the 49er D, that's what scouts see when they look at Mingo. The LB Draft class is loaded, only reason Minter comes back. Reid is a smart guy, I think he knows he needs to work on his coverage skills before going to the next level. So I think Sam and Mingo go... Minter, Reid and Logan stay.
Posted on 12/1/12 at 8:57 pm to ZereauxSum
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Remeber, Tyson Jackson was taken 3rd over all with absolute crap numbers his last year.
Aren't you making his point?
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:02 pm to Weaver
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How many people thought Barrett jones would come back?
a lot
Posted on 12/1/12 at 9:09 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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He was more explosive than Mingo this year. His stats show it too.
I don't think he was. He was more powerful and has that Putt-Putt motor.
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