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re: i have to wonder about our d backfield coaching
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:18 pm to oldschoolgreats
Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:18 pm to oldschoolgreats
Maybe he's not the only one on this board that can't add 2+2 and get 4!
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 12:56 pm to Phil2012
So just because Loston didnt do that well in high school, he shouldnt of been a 5*?? He was a 5* football recruit, not a 5* student.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 1:35 pm to KG5989
Guys it's not talent we have talented guys in our secondary. The problem at UGA was that most of the time the coverage was busted and I have a friend that is a DB he said it wasn't one guys fault. On multiple occasions audibles were made from the sideline and only half the Defense heard it. It wasn't communicated well enough or fast enough so the LBers and the nearside CB and S heard but the far Corner and Safety didn't. One time everyone got it, but the safety I believe it was Micah who didn't get the call. So it's not talent we have sufficient talent. Communication and experience is all we need to get down. Playing against a good offensive team doesn't help either especially when Murray 4 year starter knows exactly what you're doing and how to pick you apart.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 2:05 pm to LSU GrandDad
Weren't alot of the players after the Georgia came talking about the multiple complex hand signals they have to implore every snap? Where as before, with Coop, it was a more simplified version with just a few basic signals? Can't we just go back to that?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 2:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
All I know is that the UGA receivers appeared to have a lot of acreage to themselves all afternoon. They were so wide open and the D-line applied 0 pressure. It reminded of a passing drill...The defense, it appears, as now become as inept as the offense has been for a number of years now.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 2:11 pm to White Tiger
so we got 330 yards put on the D in 2nd half against aubie and that must have been communications also. dbs got beat on 2 long plays against avg. sec wr. the problem is 1) lack of exp. 2) avg. sec talent
Posted on 10/3/13 at 2:27 pm to KG5989
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We were lost and confused vs UGA. Half the time 1 DB was in man coverage, while the other DB to his side was in zone. Its not a talent thing, its the mental mistakes that are killing us. And that can be fixed
This. GA ran some really nice route sets that were designed to confuse our young DBs and it worked. What I have seen is we are in the right position scheme wise but a step late, also everyone is playing their man and not playing the ball which is typical for young DBs, that's an experience thing.
Now, if you give a good QB like Aaron Murray, JFF or AJ 4 to 5 seconds to go through his progression someone is ALWAYS going to be open, you cant cover that long.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 2:28 pm to LSU GrandDad
I say we give Cooper a call and see if he'd be interested. I don't see why not, he's at USF now. Bet he wishes he'd never taken that Tampa Bay job.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 2:47 pm to LSU GrandDad
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The current DBs have the speed and talent to be good. It is coverage technique, angles to make tackles, and not being in the correct position\coverage. All the issues above point to coaching
thanks for your mature answer TigerEast.
Really if you are listening to TigerEast than you really have no clue.
You were asking about talent vs coaching, what we seem to forget is the talent we had in the backfield in prior years was unbelievable.We literally had shut down corners Peterson, Mo along with Reid at safety and a ball hawk named honey badger. Even Simon was good but it took time and he did have lapses of average play. Look at what those guys are doing in the NFL right now, except for Mo who probably is not playing in the right D scheme and Simon who has not reached the field all the others are excelling.
Mills and Collins are proving not to be lock down corners. Mills is getting better but still has a ways to go. We are just not as talented in the backfield as in years past it is that plain and simple. We have some young guys White, Robinson & Jefferson that are supposed to be really good but they need experience. You couple that with no pressure on the QB and I don't care who you have in the D Backfield a good QB "Murray, McCarron & Manziel" are going to make them look bad. You can't give a QB all day to throw, they will slice up any backfield.
We have good, not great, corners & safeties but unless the front 7 puts some pressure on the QB they are going to look average at best. Everyone wants to go after the coaches, and they have to take blame but we have a very inexperienced defense and it shows, bad angles, confusion on where to be, missed assignments etc.... those are symptoms of inexperience. Whether anyone wants to admit it, this had to be expected with the talent that we lost to the NFL last year. We will get better, but it all starts upfront.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:06 pm to Dudebro2
And CR is heavily involved with the 14 class so he isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:15 pm to Manky
Chavis is the DC and Miles is in charge of Chavis. Thats all you need to know!
Posted on 10/3/13 at 3:19 pm to LSU GrandDad
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i know we lost claiborn and peterson and reid but the guys we have now were just as heralded coming out of high school.
None close to as heralded as PP7 and most more heralded than Claiborne
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:11 pm to Malaysian Tiger
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Chavis is the DC and Miles is in charge of Chavis. Thats all you need to know!
MT - keep hitting that Shabu in the Philippines it is obviously rotting your brain. So are you going to heap all the credit on Miles for how well our defense has played for the past 8 years??? I mean he was the head coach as you put it.
Our defense is inexperienced that is all it is, will they be as dominant as in years past with this crew probably not but as the year progresses and into next year they will be a force again. You can't lose all that talent to the NFL and not expect a drop off, anyone who did was clearly not really thinking about it.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:23 pm to oldschoolgreats
time will tell..not sure it is all his fault (yet)
we definitely need help there.
we definitely need help there.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:27 pm to LSU GrandDad
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it seems that since we lost cooper, we have struggled. i know we lost claiborn and peterson and reid but the guys we have now were just as heralded coming out of high school. i also know our db coach is an ex player and a Tiger through and through. does anyone out there have ACTUAL playing experience at a high level (at last high school) that has perhaps analyzed our secondary play in person that can give us an educated opinion? thanks in advance. no video game pros please.
Listened to Hannigrif and Rush on the Tiger Zone last night after Miles show. They went into depth on this subject way beyond my novice football education. And as it seems the whole defensive backfield thing is complicated. It is not just coaching and actually it is not just the D-backs.
Gordy elaborated on the Cover 2 scheme LSU ran a lot of last week against UGA and previous foes this year. It seems that we are being forced into cover two because the DE and LBs are losing containment on the run game and this lineup allows the CB's to help the run defense better. In zone coverage they are not playig with their back to the ball as much as man coverage. An additional problem here is that the Safeties are not executing cover 2 correctly. He said they should stay deeper than the receivers on coverage and center up on their half of the field and hold that until the QB releases the ball. Our guys are breaking way to early in coverage of one of multiple receivers in their zone the QB just plunks it to the other one with the CB hung out to dry with no top coverage.
They also touched on the Safety position in general - this person is usually not as good in man coverage but is a better space tackler. In cover two you are playing two safeties. With the advent of three and four wides the second safety really needs to be a hybrid CB with good man cover skills. None of our safeties are filling this bill.
So in short, because the front seven are not playing up to par the def coverage is forced to packages which are not optimum and put our DB's into skills they are not best at. Also zone coverage requires a lot of communication which is going pretty poor so far between the DBs.
I am no coach and just tried to summarize what the paid pundits were talking last night. Feel free to weigh in or correct as needed but it all made sense to me when I heard it.
One last item. It seems that Loston was playing with a groin injury which limited his ability to spin and cut. i admire his grit but if he could not execute the cover age he should have sat.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:57 pm to GetmorewithLes
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I am no coach and just tried to summarize what the paid pundits were talking last night
Thanks for the summary, the easy way to say it next time is it all starts upfront with the front 7. If they are not stopping the run and putting pressure on the QB it is going to be a long day for our defense.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:03 pm to LSUnation78
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but a huge part of his game was his own instincts. I don't really see any of our current DBs having good instincts other than White, but hes still a true freshman.
This.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:04 pm to LSU GrandDad
Remember Mathieu, Brooks and Taylor as well. Those guys were 2nd and 3rd rounders for a reason.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:13 pm to TigerEast
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The current DBs have the speed and talent to be good. It is coverage technique, angles to make tackles, and not being in the correct position\coverage. All the issues above point to coaching.
After watching the film study on TR, you have to ask how could Loston be a 5th year senior and be so lost on his responsibilities?
Either he is dumb as a post or has been coached very poorly.
There seem to be a good number of highly recruited players who really are quite unremarkable: Loston, Freak, Rasco.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 5:14 pm to Dudebro2
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Really if you are listening to TigerEast than you really have no clue.
i was only thanking him for being mature and commenting on my post instead of the juvenile bs one gets on here if they are not in the "cool". there are still 2 trains of thought; talent and coaching. so you are correct when you say i have no clue and it seems i am not alone.
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