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re: I have no problem with Crowton and here is why...
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:47 pm to GrantTheFan
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:47 pm to GrantTheFan
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but to say his scheme is dumb, or he doesn't know or understand football is just foolish. very, very foolish.
What is crowtons scheme???
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:48 pm to TruLsu
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Its just the plays that were called were not beneficial to the playmaker used.
Ok, but using the 10 page playbook analogy, its pretty hard for GC to concoct an efficient SEC caliber offense out of just a 10 page plackbook....right?
What I am trying to say is...GC's hands are tied due to the mental limitations of his QB's.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:49 pm to Coastal Tiger
Why can't it be both. Our QBs and Crowton both suck donkeys. And to those who think you need Stephen Hawking at QB; see Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:49 pm to TheDoc
quote:Preliminary Special Teams...
What is crowtons scheme???
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:52 pm to Coastal Tiger
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Ok, but using the 10 page playbook analogy, its pretty hard for GC to concoct an efficient SEC caliber offense out of just a 10 page plackbook....right?
What I am trying to say is...GC's hands are tied due to the mental limitations of his QB's
I get what you are trying to say. My point being, JJ made his best plays out of roll outs and play action. The offense could have been tailored to do this more often than called to make JJ stand in the pocket and make progressions.
On another note, I remember hearing on Monday Night Football that Troy Smith didn't know almost 100 of the plays of the play book, well they just didn't use those plays and stuck with what he was good at. I'm not saying it would have definitely worked, but it would have been nice if it were tried more often.
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:56 pm to TruLsu
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The offense could have been tailored to do this more often than called to make JJ stand in the pocket and make progressions.
Very true.
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Troy Smith didn't know almost 100 of the plays of the play book, well they just didn't use those plays and stuck with what he was good at.
Seems like JJ is good or really knows at only about 3 to 5 plays.
Really tough to run an SEC offense around that.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:57 pm to Coastal Tiger
quote:Hell i would rather see the same set of 5 plays that work even if the d can see them coming, rather than the 100 plays we run that have a 0% success rate
Seems like JJ is good or really knows at only about 3 to 5 plays. Really tough to run an SEC offense around that.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:57 pm to Coastal Tiger
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Ok, but using the 10 page playbook analogy, its pretty hard for GC to concoct an efficient SEC caliber offense out of just a 10 page plackbook....right?
What I am trying to say is...GC's hands are tied due to the mental limitations of his QB's.
I'm pretty sure JJ DID NOT KNOW HOW TO RUN THE OPTION, yet Crowton kept calling it over and over again.
I think that blows up your theory.
:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:58 pm to TheDoc
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What is crowtons scheme???
Looking back at his LaTech, Chicago and BYU days, his preferred scheme is a hybrid of the more aggressive parts of both the spread and the run and shoot. Here, he's added a lot of power I, option and some of the Jimbo Fisher stuff. Like I said, I'm no huge fan, but the guy has been extremely successful at times, but he really needs a qb who is on the same page with him and we just haven't had that the last 3 years. I just don't think with who we currently have at that position that a new coach/scheme is going to alter the end result very much.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:59 pm to Coastal Tiger
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Ok, but using the 10 page playbook analogy, its pretty hard for GC to concoct an efficient SEC caliber offense out of just a 10 page plackbook....right?
We'll neither his 100 page or his 10 page playbook contains a screen pass or a passing route against a LB.
It doesn't matter how thick a playbook is if the plays in it don't work.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:59 pm to GrantTheFan
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but he really needs a qb who is on the same page with him and we just haven't had that the last 3 years. I just don't think with who we currently have at that position that a new coach/scheme is going to alter the end result very much.
Lord...
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:00 pm to GrantTheFan
quote:FIFY
but he really needs a senior qb that was developed by a good qb coach prior to him coming here
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:00 pm to Chimlim
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If you fire Crowton now, fine, but who do you think can magically make our QBs play better than they have?
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Someone who actually knows how to coach QBs?
Give Ensminger a try as QB coach. He's played and coached QB's. Let Gonzales coach WR's AND TE's. Move Ensminger to dedicated QB coach and let Crowton concentrate solely on the offense. This would be the most "Efficient" use of the existing staff.
why Miles has not tried this...........Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:01 pm to willeteal
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But LSU's offense has not finished in the 50s or 60s the last THREE years.
It's been in the fricking 100s, behind Tulane, New Mexico State, and Slippery Rock.
Not true. '08 statistically wasn't bad beyond the pick-sixes. This year they had actually moved up into the 80's before the horrible second half at Arkansas dropped them down to 93 which is still unacceptable.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:02 pm to TheDoc
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What is crowtons scheme???
He runs a multiple formation multiple players spread option passing I-formation running OMGWTF is going what do i do now, WTF are we doing why am I on the field where do I line up offense
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:04 pm to Antonio Moss
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We'll neither his 100 page or his 10 page playbook contains a screen pass or a passing route against a LB.
True, but it's hard to call a pass play like that when your QB's can't throw the ball.
Again, tied hands due to mental / physical abilities.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:05 pm to Chimlim
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He runs a multiple formation multiple players spread option passing I-formation running OMGWTF is going what do i do now, WTF are we doing why am I on the field where do I line up offense
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:05 pm to Coastal Tiger
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True, but it's hard to call a pass play like that when your QB's can't throw the ball.
Again, tied hands due to mental / physical abilities.
Why was Crowton so reliant on QB play for offense this year? Surely if your QB is terrible, like a lot of you claim, you are going to adjust your scheme to be a primary rushing offense, right?
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:07 pm to Chimlim
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He runs a multiple formation multiple players spread option passing I-formation running OMGWTF is going what do i do now, WTF are we doing why am I on the field where do I line up offense
Posted on 12/2/10 at 3:11 pm to TheDoc
so offense stunk either because of:
playcalling -- who calls the plays?
lack of QB talent -- who identifies the talent during recruiting?
lack of QB intelligence -- again, back to recruiting
lack of scheme -- let's run every offense ever run during a single game. how about some single wing?
lack of QB development -- who's the QB coach?
couple that w/ the well worn litany of crowton's regressions at BYU, Chicago, and Oregon and there's just no way to defend his performance. this isn't new ground for him, this is a pattern.
furthermore, i never understood all year why the playcalling didn't suit the talent on the field as opposed to just forcefitting it it in there. JJ's uncomfortable in the pocket -- so let's keep him in the pocket for long stretches of the game?
playcalling -- who calls the plays?
lack of QB talent -- who identifies the talent during recruiting?
lack of QB intelligence -- again, back to recruiting
lack of scheme -- let's run every offense ever run during a single game. how about some single wing?
lack of QB development -- who's the QB coach?
couple that w/ the well worn litany of crowton's regressions at BYU, Chicago, and Oregon and there's just no way to defend his performance. this isn't new ground for him, this is a pattern.
furthermore, i never understood all year why the playcalling didn't suit the talent on the field as opposed to just forcefitting it it in there. JJ's uncomfortable in the pocket -- so let's keep him in the pocket for long stretches of the game?
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 3:13 pm
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