re: I have been thinking A LONG TIME about this.........

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I have been thinking A LONG TIME about this.........

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yeah, ok. pall malls & boone's farm are about as "LONG TIME" as you get.

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I can't help but wonder if Saban or Meyers loses a couple, if the posters on this board would consider them as being stupid.

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It's been talked about. They get passes. It's because neither of them have ever had a 8-4 season

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They wouldn't get "passes". They would get talked about but they wouldn't get brutalized like Les Miles does.

The reason? Communication...these coaches have the appearance of having things under control and that they are going to fix it, that they know what the problems are. Les Miles? Not so much.

You can argue all day that it doesn't matter, but it does matter. Perception goes a long way towards forming people's opinion of you. Once they get that opinion of you and it becomes hardened, it's very difficult to move them off of that spot until you can prove them wrong by winning again.

That's where we are at with Miles and LSU right now. It's really not that difficult to figure out.

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I guess that's that then. There's no need to let the season play out at all. What's the point of even playing?

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I would say that there is a POSSIBILITY that some positions WILL be better this year, but it's unproven at this point. Until the season starts we will continue to argue our positions. Most of us HOPE that the positions will be better, but we do not KNOW that for a fact, nor do we have enough confidence in our current staff to PREDICT that as we have in past years. In the past, even WITH Les Miles as coach, I have predicted us to lose no more than 2 games in every year from 2005-2008.

The last 2 years I have been very very wrong. Now I have a wait and see attitude, and a prove it to me attitude. I am not going to give Les Miles any credit for the last 2 years debacles, he's going to have to show me what he can do this year, then I will give him all the credit in the world.

FWIW, I THINK we will be very good in the secondary, better at QB, and good at WR. I am NOT convinced that we will be any better on the D line or O line, and RB will probably be about the same. LB's may actually be better if Chavis does what he has done in the past with the Linebacking corp.

If the OL line is even 30% improved over last year look for this team to have some success. But as we all know, freshmen/new OL's in the SEC their first year hardly ever have breakout years.

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frick perception. You and I and everyone here wants results. ....people say that that team last year was talented.....and that's just not the case.

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You can say frick it all you want, but it does matter, it's what drives our country, media, perceptions, opinions, you can discount it all you want, fair enough if you don't believe in it, but it most definitely fuels people's opinions of our team. The team WAS talented last year, they were just raw and unproven, they were also not coached very well.

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You guys hang on to shite Miles says to the media and it boggles my mind why you guys do it.

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Because it makes our team look bad, we love our team, so we get pissed when someone makes it look bad. We all feel like we have an ownership of the team, even when in reality we don't, but that's what makes a fan a fan.

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The team WAS talented last year

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Where?

I agree with you. I said the same thing last year. We will be better, because we won't have as many pick sixes. Yet instead of that, we had a ton of sacks and could not run the ball. We need to be able to run the ball first and then that will open the passing game. If our o line can both run and pass block, we should have no problems keeping jj free from sacks.

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It's been talked about. They get passes. It's because neither of them have ever had a 8-4 season.....wait.

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I was pretty down on Meyer following the gators debacle vs Michigan. It was a bit premature, so I am not ready to write off Les Miles just yet. I don't have nearly as much confidence as I once did however. My biggest beef has been in season adjustments the last two years and I haven't seen any. Hoping Les and Gary have had an epiphany of sorts and become more willing to see the big picture and make some changes in the offensive gameplans.

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BOTTOM LINE is that. WE HAVE talent

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Having talent hasnt been the problem in a quite a while, somethings gotta give because im tired of reading this statement and saying it myself. Im starting to wonder if i'm crazy for thinking how much talent is on LSUs sideline.

Our schedule is brutal; its going to be an 8-4 year unless something has drastically changed in a year, at certain positions.

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You can say frick it all you want, but it does matter, it's what drives our country, media, perceptions, opinions, you can discount it all you want, fair enough if you don't believe in it, but it most definitely fuels people's opinions of our team

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But who cares what people's perception of our team is? Or more importantly, our coach? Besides the few pollsters(who have never hurt us due to their negative perceptions), the only people whose opinions really matter are recruits, their parents, and other potential coaches. And since Les keeps being able to hire good coaches and recruit good players, who cares about the rest?


Now I do agree with you about Les not being a great communicator to the fanbase, and that he could be better at easing anxiety about the state of the program. It makes the non-football part of his job harder, but I just can't see how it correlates to actual wins or losses on the field. As long as he can communicate to his staff and players, isn't that all that really matters?


LSU fans have a bizzare inferiority complex--I think a lot of it has to do with the perception of Louisiana as a state and how we're kinda looked down upon by every other state not named Mississippi or Alabama. But so many LSU fans self-worth seems wrapped up not just in how good or successful the football program is, but how others perceive it.


And that really manifests itself in the attitudes toward the football coach, whom a lot of folks seem to think represents them as individual people. If a coach is liked and respected, they themselves feel more liked and respected. Without question(whether they admit it or not or are even consciously aware of it), there is a large portion of the LSU fanbase that would rather go 8-4 with a respected coach than 10-2 with someone who's considered mediocre. For some reason it matters to them what Joe Blow from Knoxville thinks about their coach, or if John Smith from Athens has him on their top list of eventual replacements at Georgia. It shapes how they see themselves. Personally, I could give a shite what anybody outside of LSU thinks about Les, LSU, whatever. Especially knowing they are just as retarded as some of the LSU fans represented on this site.


Anyway, I used to think this all this was sad, but I'm more fascinated by it now. I wish somebody would research it, the psychology of the collective inferiority complex shared by a lot of Louisiana natives. Would be neat.

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As long as he can communicate to his staff and players, isn't that all that really matters?

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...and recruits families...which he obviously is very good at.