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re: I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:16 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:16 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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It's all opinion.
Its really not. It's all opinion for the people saying Flynn was the better qb in college with no facts to back it up. The JR argument actually has facts behind it.
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Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:17 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Flynn was just the beneficiary of the BCS system. He and Russell had the same success on the field by team record and Russell had the huge talent advantage and personal stat advantage.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:17 am to TheDoc
quote:JR
who had better stats: JR or MF?
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:17 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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JR >> Flynn when it comes to talent.
Flynn >> JR when it comes to success on the field.
stats do not back this up. at all
and let me use this to make a statement similar to what i made yesterday. aaron rogers clearly has been a better QB than brees this year. doesn't mean brees didn't have an amazing season himself
same applies to JR/Flynn. saying JR in 2006 was better than almost any QB isn't some insult, b/c JR in 2006 was fricking amazing. there aren't that many QBs who have had a better year in the past 10 years
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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bullshite. JR had to work and study the game to become great in 2006
What I meant was that JR had a cannon for an arm, and could destroy you with the deep ball. He was also a big guy and hard to bring down, could run well for such a big guy, and was IMO a more talented QB than was Flynn. However, what he had overflowing in talent, he lacked in either will and/or experience in having to really step up the mental aspect of the game. You can make an argument that he was put in the pressure cooker while Flynn was not, and I'd agree with that, but it's a pretty well doccumented fact during his time in the NFL that he demonstrated a poor work ethic and THAT more than anything else is what really did him in IMO, and why Flynn is successful and just set a single game record for Green Bay. Flynn had to dig deep and overcome while I really don't think that JaMarcus Russell was accustomed to having to do so. He's always been heads and tails above the rest in talent, that is, until he got in the NFL.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:17 am to dukke v
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There are 5 teams at least that could have beaten 2007 LSU in the NC game.
Not sure if I agree with this. If you mean that there were 5 teams that could have beaten had LSU played piss poor in the NCG, which they didn't, then I can see that. However, if your saying that there were at least 5 better teams than LSU that season I have to say you're wrong. When LSU played up to their potential they were easily the best team in college football that season.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't go back and run a statistics program on the season to figure out if I'm happy or not.
quote:I don't need statistics to tell me that we won the SEC and Crystal football.
if you're comparing teams, i suggest you do so
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:18 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Flynn >> JR when it comes to success on the field.
they still both had 2 losses, and JR's losses were to better teams
JR also had better stats...
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:18 am to Mike da Tigah
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What I meant was that JR had a cannon for an arm, and could destroy you with the deep ball. He was also a big guy and hard to bring down, could run well for such a big guy, and was IMO a more talented QB than was Flynn. However, what he had overflowing in talent, he lacked in either will and/or experience in having to really step up the mental aspect of the game. You can make an argument that he was put in the pressure cooker while Flynn was not, and I'd agree with that, but it's a pretty well doccumented fact during his time in the NFL that he demonstrated a poor work ethic and THAT more than anything else is what really did him in IMO, and why Flynn is successful and just set a single game record for Green Bay. Flynn had to dig deep and overcome while I really don't think that JaMarcus Russell was accustomed to having to do so. He's always been heads and tails above the rest in talent, that is, until he got in the NFL.
I'm picking up what you're throwing down as it relates to their NFL tenures.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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we won the SEC
Perrilloux
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Flynn >> JR when it comes to success on the field.
Based on what??? A TEAM accomplishment????? And for winning the NC after backing in, BTW Who was the QB in the 2007 SECCG?????
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2007 >> 2006 when it comes to championships
SO if this years LSU team losses to Bama, is the 2007 team better????
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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who had better stats: JR or MF?
JR
quote:
Flynn >> JR when it comes to success on the field.
um...
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:20 am to Mike da Tigah
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He's always been heads and tails above the rest in talent, that is, until he got in the NFL.
he was still heads and tails above pretty much every QB in the NFL in terms of talent
his talent didn't keep him under 260 a LSU and push him to around 300 lbs in oakland
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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JR >> Flynn when it comes to talent.
Flynn >> JR when it comes to success on the field.
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stats do not back this up. at all
Stats do not tell you that Flynn is still in the NFL, backing up an all world QB, about to possibly play in the SuperBowl, and just had one of the best games a backup QB has had in the NFL in the last 10 years. Flynn has a NC and SEC ring, with memories of his playing days at LSU that will last forever.
JR is sitting at home wondering what happened to $30 million dollars.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
slow, you think JR will ever get a chance to redeem himself in da league? He has to be tired of getting called a complete joke and hell... he's still a young guy.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:24 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Stats do not tell you that Flynn is still in the NFL, backing up an all world QB, about to possibly play in the SuperBowl, and just had one of the best games a backup QB has had in the NFL in the last 10 years.
this has, literally, nothing to do with comparing the 2 in college
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Flynn has a NC and SEC ring, with memories of his playing days at LSU that will last forever.
who is a better QB: RG3 or JJ?
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:24 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Stats do not tell you that Flynn is still in the NFL, backing up an all world QB, about to possibly play in the SuperBowl, and just had one of the best games a backup QB has had in the NFL in the last 10 years. Flynn has a NC and SEC ring, with memories of his playing days at LSU that will last forever.
JR is sitting at home wondering what happened to $30 million dollars.
Is this you giving up? None of this means that Flynn was the better QB at LSU.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:24 am to Elleshoe
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slow, you think JR will ever get a chance to redeem himself in da league?
i think if he worked hard and got in shape he'd get a fair shot. i don't think he wants to. he's got a lot of money and is home in mobile doing charity work and living easy.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:25 am to dukke v
Again, I'm not arguing stats, yes props to RP, but Flynn got us there.
The 2007 team are listed as CFB champions in the history books and have the rings and crystal football to prove it.
quote:Again, if this 2010 team loses they will be a mere footnote in CFB history, the team that wasn't. Lots of talent but didn't get the ultimate prize.
SO if this years LSU team losses to Bama, is the 2007 team better????
The 2007 team are listed as CFB champions in the history books and have the rings and crystal football to prove it.
Posted on 1/2/12 at 11:26 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:College
Stats do not tell you that Flynn is still in the NFL, backing up an all world QB, about to possibly play in the SuperBowl, and just had one of the best games a backup QB has had in the NFL in the last 10 years. Flynn has a NC and SEC ring, with memories of his playing days at LSU that will last forever.
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