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re: I forgot how much I hate USC
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:48 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:48 am to LSUfan4444
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The AP absolutely gave a title and it carried weight
if georgia wins the CFP, they are awarded the CFP trophy and are the champions of the 2022 season.
if the AP wants to award USC their trophy, it has no bearing and carries no weight. at all. the reason is simple: the CFP trophy is how the winner is recognized. just like the BCS trophy was before it.
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Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:48 am to Ping Pong
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The 2003 split title still pisses me off.
This. It was my junior year. They’re an enemy for life now.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:49 am to monsterballads
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it wasn't the BCS title. which at the time, before the CFP, was the only recognized title
Again, your choice to not recognize it doesnt make that statement true. It's factually incorrect and ignorant
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:50 am to monsterballads
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they are awarded the CFP trophy and are the CFP champions of the 2022 season.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:52 am to LSUfan4444
it's a title. the AP title. usually goes to whoever wins the actual championship (BCS,CFP). in 2003, the AP (based in los angeles) awarded it to USC.
that's wonderful but it still wasn't recognized as the championship trophy that year. the BCS title trophy was.
that's wonderful but it still wasn't recognized as the championship trophy that year. the BCS title trophy was.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:52 am to sta4ever
Why do you think Lincoln Riley’s pussy arse went to USC. Same reason dabo wont leave Clemson
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:53 am to monsterballads
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it still wasn't recognized as the championship trophy that year
Sure it was...which is why much of the national media still refers to it as a split title.
You may not agree to value it in the same manner and thats okay but it doesnt change reality just because you don't like it.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:54 am to PenguinPubes
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Why do you think Lincoln Riley’s pussy arse went to USC. Same reason dabo wont leave Clemson
Oh I know lol. They think he didn’t want to go to LSU because “USC is a better football school.” There’s a reason why he jumped ship. He doesn’t want to play in the SEC because you have to play defense to win in the SEC. LR has no idea how to play defense.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 10:58 am to sta4ever
Exactly. And they play one ranked team a year
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:01 am to monsterballads
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I understand. but the BCS trophy was agreed upon before the season started as the actual "championship" trophy.
Not by the AP. I'm not even sure LSU signed any kind of agreement. Do you have a link or something?
CFB championships are awarded by different organizations. They are not "claimed" by schools. People can agree on which awards are worthy of acknowledging, and which aren't. For over 85 years people have agreed that the AP trophy is worth acknowledging as a legitimate national championship award. That didn't change with the BCS, as the BCS was really just the Coaches trophy. Even the CFP doesn't really change that. The only real way to change it is to have the NCAA step in and award championships to CFP winners.
That all said, we do retain the right to point and laugh at programs that acknowledge pissant organizations (I'm looking at you 1941 Houlgate System).
It's also why LSU won't acknowledge a championship for 1908, because none was actually awarded to LSU after the season. You can't count trophies you don't have. Which is why USC can count their 2003 trophy- they actually have it.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:04 am to LSUfan4444
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The AP absolutely gave a title and it carried weight. Ignoring that is just stupid and I am not sure why so many LSU fans insist on doing so.
The AP "carried weight" only up to the inception of the BCS. At that point they became just another "Larry's specialty meats Champion" along with the 100 other irrelevant champs as determined by irrelevant people and their irrelevant polls. Thats why the teams that will be playing in the BCS championship is determined by the BCS ranking and NOT determined by the ranking of the AP or Coaches poll. AP championships have been irrelevant for a long time now. Pretty much since all but 1 school voted in favor of the BCS championship game determining the national champion.
By the way, I have my own poll and award national championships each year. Guess what... USC has 0 championships. Why does the outdated AP Poll championship carry more weight than my championship poll? Exactly... it doesn't.
I happen to follow the BCS championship since it was the ONE championship that was voted for (by all but 1 school) in determining the National Champ.
Anyone can be like Bama and claim all the 100 various poll champions they want, but in 2003 there was only 1 poll that determined the N.C. deal with it.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:07 am to LSUfan4444
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The AP absolutely gave a title and it carried weight. Ignoring that is just stupid and I am not sure why so many LSU fans insist on doing so.
Whether or not you give it credit or not doesnt change the fact that it was a very real title, very well recognized and legitimate and since the NCAA didn't and doesn't crown a football champion, the rest are just different organizations (BCS, CFP, AP, etc.) all creating their own champion for the rest of people to value on their own.
But it doesnt mean others don't exist just because you choose to not recognize or value it.
This.
USC has an actual trophy for 2003 that they can count - just like LSU does.
It's funny because, while LSU has 12 SEC titles, 2 of them were shared with other teams. No one thinks of these as split or half titles. I see 2003 similarly, shared.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:08 am to sta4ever
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:10 am to Geaux Tahel
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The AP "carried weight" only up to the inception of the BCS. At that point they became just another "Larry's specialty meats Champion" along with the 100 other irrelevant champs as determined by irrelevant people and their irrelevant polls. Thats why the teams that will be playing in the BCS championship is determined by the BCS ranking and NOT determined by the ranking of the AP or Coaches poll. AP championships have been irrelevant for a long time now. Pretty much since all but 1 school voted in favor of the BCS championship game determining the national champion.
By the way, I have my own poll and award national championships each year. Guess what... USC has 0 championships. Why does the outdated AP Poll championship carry more weight than my championship poll? Exactly... it doesn't.
I happen to follow the BCS championship since it was the ONE championship that was voted for (by all but 1 school) in determining the National Champ.
Anyone can be like Bama and claim all the 100 various poll champions they want, but in 2003 there was only 1 poll that determined the N.C. deal with it.
Everything you just said is wrong which is exactly why it is referred to as a split title...because the AP champ DID carry weight in '03
You don't have to like it but this snowflake agenda that the entire world has to view things like you and value what you do is exhausting.
I get it, YOU did not value the AP and either did many other LSU fans but it doesn't change history or reality just because you don't like it and don't agree with it.
The AP title was very still well recognized in 03 and acting like it wasn't is silly.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:13 am to LSUfan4444
I can get valuing the BCS over the AP. I can get mocking USC for claim a less notable championship. I can even get anger directed to the AP for their big market agenda but what makes no sense to me is why continually so many LSU fans think they can change history and reality just because they didn't like the outcome. Seems like the same rationale as tearing down statues.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:16 am to LSUfan4444
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Everything you just said is wrong which is exactly why it is referred to as a split title...because the AP champ DID carry weight in '03
Thats your opinion. All of which is wrong. Just because Onepete holds up a trophy by some alternate lesser poll doesn't make them "co-champs". Its makes them the winner of "another trophy".
The BCS was the poll/system voted for by all but 1 school prior to 2003. This is irrefutable. 100% fact. You can care about the AP all you want but don't for a second expect the world to consider a "secondary" poll carries as much weight as what the CFB schools themselves voted for.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:17 am to LSUfan4444
the AP title didn't carry any weight since the BCS was created in 1998.
a whole 5 years went by where the BCS champion was THE winner of the football season. until the LA based AP pitched a fit and awarded their trophy to USC after they were left out of the top 2 for the title game.
the AP awarding their trophy was cute but not respected. it would be like the coaches poll awarding a trophy to someone other than georgia last season. it's irrelevant.
a whole 5 years went by where the BCS champion was THE winner of the football season. until the LA based AP pitched a fit and awarded their trophy to USC after they were left out of the top 2 for the title game.
the AP awarding their trophy was cute but not respected. it would be like the coaches poll awarding a trophy to someone other than georgia last season. it's irrelevant.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:21 am to monsterballads
Another funny thing was Pete Carroll crying about the BCS in 2003 and saying he didn't know what they were voting for when they did the vote to determine the championship selection process.
Seriously Pete. We get it, you are an idiot, but you knew exactly what you were voting for. You just wanted to move the dartboard in 2003 to suit your agenda.
ETA: Pete already had the irrelevant AP won, why did he feel the need to make a play on the BCSNC if the AP carried the same weight. Even Pete knows the AP and the BCS was not equal. Boofrickinghoo, I didn't know what I was voting for.
Seriously Pete. We get it, you are an idiot, but you knew exactly what you were voting for. You just wanted to move the dartboard in 2003 to suit your agenda.
ETA: Pete already had the irrelevant AP won, why did he feel the need to make a play on the BCSNC if the AP carried the same weight. Even Pete knows the AP and the BCS was not equal. Boofrickinghoo, I didn't know what I was voting for.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:23 am to sta4ever
I love SC, the tradition and everything. The place used to be Heisman trophy U before Alabama and Saban took over.
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:24 am to Ping Pong
I lived in Cali for a while (hated it). Every time the "split" was mentioned, I would just ask back "where does the Crystal Ball Live?................Now shut up.
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