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How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted on 12/26/10 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/26/10 at 12:26 pm
When looking at the total defense rankings LSU comes in at #8. A&M comes in at #50. LSU's Tiger defense gave up on average 301.7 yds per game this year. A&M's defense gave up 357.5 yds per game.
Case closed right? #8 is a better ranking than #50 and giving up only 300yds is better than giving up 350yds. It would appear so on the surface.
The total defense statistic assumes the defenses are on the field for the same number of plays. Obviously they are not and a lot of that has to do with the team's very own offense...is it a hurry up offense or a grind it out/chew up the clock offense. Obviously a hurry up offense means the defense will be back out on the field more often.
Texas A&M definitely runs a hurry up offense. The Aggies have gone even faster since Tannehill became the QB. Looking at the offense statistics you clearly see how fast they are. They are tied for 6th in the country in total number of plays run this year. Teams ranked 1-5 actually played one more game this year. If you avg. out plays/game, only Oklahoma has more. Thus Texas A&M probably has the second "fastest" offense in the nation meaning their defense is on the field a lot more often.
So how do we resolve the defensive statistics to account for A&M's D being on the field more often due to its hurry up offense? I think the only way is to look at yds/play.
According to yds/play:
#11-Texas A&M (4.7)
#16-LSU (4.8)
These same statistics are consistent when you compare scoring D. LSU gives up 17pts/game, A&M 20 pts/game. But when you factor in A&M's defense being on the field 15-20% more plays, the pts yielded statistics even out.
Do I think A&M has a better defense than LSU b/c of this? No. To truly answer that question you would have to compare the offenses of the opponents they have played. A quick cursory search yields the top 5 offenses played by each team:
A&M:
#1 Ok.State
#10 Arkansas
#12 Oklahoma
#13 Baylor
#18 Texas Tech
LSU:
#8 Auburn
#10 Arkansas
#27 Alabama
#45 Mississippi
#46 MSU
My gut tells me these defenses are a lot closer than anyone would like to believe. They both have mini-geniuses as their DC. They both have a leader of unquestionable talent and sure-fire top 10 NFL draft pick in 2011 who have brought home serious hardware.
I think the same fallacies that we might see with regards to defensive statistics work on the offensive side of the ball as well. On the surface one might think there is a large discrepancy between #22 A&M and #89 LSU in total offense. But so many more factors go into this debate as well. NAMELY, what kind of D is each team facing on the season. Without even performing a cursory search here I think most will agree LSU has been facing much tougher defenses in the SEC than A&M has in the Big 12.
The one area that I think people on both sides of the Cotton Bowl have failed to discuss (and the most important aspect of the game IMO) is Texas A&M punting. A&M ranks #119/120 in the NCAA in punting. #119/#120. And it is much worse than that statistic lets on. It has been so bad that A&M has resorted to having their QB punt on occasion. Rumors have been floating around as well that A&M's starting punter will miss the Cotton Bowl. That means the best guy they have, who happens to be the 2nd worst punter in the nation, will be missing the game with injury. He is the starter for a reason...that reason being he is the best A&M has. Thus the backup must be atrocious. To compound all of this the backup will be punting to one Patrick Peterson. I would be shocked if LSU doesn't get at least 1 TD out of punt returns. Additionally the Tigers should have great field position for most of the day. This will be the difference in the game IMO.
I'm not going to give a prediction. That is Vegas' specialty. Interestingly some sports books have dropped the line to even LINK /
probably based on the Stevan Ridley news more than anything.
Add in a Les Miles finish and this could be one of the best bowl games of the year.
Case closed right? #8 is a better ranking than #50 and giving up only 300yds is better than giving up 350yds. It would appear so on the surface.
The total defense statistic assumes the defenses are on the field for the same number of plays. Obviously they are not and a lot of that has to do with the team's very own offense...is it a hurry up offense or a grind it out/chew up the clock offense. Obviously a hurry up offense means the defense will be back out on the field more often.
Texas A&M definitely runs a hurry up offense. The Aggies have gone even faster since Tannehill became the QB. Looking at the offense statistics you clearly see how fast they are. They are tied for 6th in the country in total number of plays run this year. Teams ranked 1-5 actually played one more game this year. If you avg. out plays/game, only Oklahoma has more. Thus Texas A&M probably has the second "fastest" offense in the nation meaning their defense is on the field a lot more often.
So how do we resolve the defensive statistics to account for A&M's D being on the field more often due to its hurry up offense? I think the only way is to look at yds/play.
According to yds/play:
#11-Texas A&M (4.7)
#16-LSU (4.8)
These same statistics are consistent when you compare scoring D. LSU gives up 17pts/game, A&M 20 pts/game. But when you factor in A&M's defense being on the field 15-20% more plays, the pts yielded statistics even out.
Do I think A&M has a better defense than LSU b/c of this? No. To truly answer that question you would have to compare the offenses of the opponents they have played. A quick cursory search yields the top 5 offenses played by each team:
A&M:
#1 Ok.State
#10 Arkansas
#12 Oklahoma
#13 Baylor
#18 Texas Tech
LSU:
#8 Auburn
#10 Arkansas
#27 Alabama
#45 Mississippi
#46 MSU
My gut tells me these defenses are a lot closer than anyone would like to believe. They both have mini-geniuses as their DC. They both have a leader of unquestionable talent and sure-fire top 10 NFL draft pick in 2011 who have brought home serious hardware.
I think the same fallacies that we might see with regards to defensive statistics work on the offensive side of the ball as well. On the surface one might think there is a large discrepancy between #22 A&M and #89 LSU in total offense. But so many more factors go into this debate as well. NAMELY, what kind of D is each team facing on the season. Without even performing a cursory search here I think most will agree LSU has been facing much tougher defenses in the SEC than A&M has in the Big 12.
The one area that I think people on both sides of the Cotton Bowl have failed to discuss (and the most important aspect of the game IMO) is Texas A&M punting. A&M ranks #119/120 in the NCAA in punting. #119/#120. And it is much worse than that statistic lets on. It has been so bad that A&M has resorted to having their QB punt on occasion. Rumors have been floating around as well that A&M's starting punter will miss the Cotton Bowl. That means the best guy they have, who happens to be the 2nd worst punter in the nation, will be missing the game with injury. He is the starter for a reason...that reason being he is the best A&M has. Thus the backup must be atrocious. To compound all of this the backup will be punting to one Patrick Peterson. I would be shocked if LSU doesn't get at least 1 TD out of punt returns. Additionally the Tigers should have great field position for most of the day. This will be the difference in the game IMO.
I'm not going to give a prediction. That is Vegas' specialty. Interestingly some sports books have dropped the line to even LINK /
probably based on the Stevan Ridley news more than anything.
Add in a Les Miles finish and this could be one of the best bowl games of the year.
This post was edited on 12/26/10 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/26/10 at 1:50 pm to Lafayette Liger
Why worry about it? The LSU D will not be lining up against the A&M D. Worry about if LSU will be able to crack the 300 yard mark in offense. A& M will sell out to stop the run daring LSU to pass. If LSU can come out completing some passes, then LSU should win. If the pass offense is non existent then look for a 13-12 type game.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 2:01 pm to Lafayette Liger
Like most games played between teams with comparative talent levels, special teams and turnovers will likely decide this one. LSU has a distinct advantage in special teams and a defense that is capable of creating big plays. Even without Ridley I see LSU winning a very close one, say 23-20.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 2:04 pm to Purplehaze
quote:
LSU:
#8 Auburn
#10 Arkansas
#27 Alabama
#45 Mississippi
#46 MSU
Who hurt our defense the most out of this group?
Mobile QB= Auburn and Mississippi
A&M's qb is mobile so beware.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 2:11 pm to LSU9102
AM's QB is no where near as talented at Newton or Masoli
Posted on 12/26/10 at 2:55 pm to Lafayette Liger
Nice post by the OP...we have a few other defensive categories that our DC concentrates on besides the yards per play
Points per play...A&M is #12 at .27, LSU is #20 at .285
3rd down con %...A&M is #18 at 35.42%, LSU is #8 at 33.33
Red zone scoring %..A&M #3 at 61.9%,LSU is #30 at 77.78%
Should be a good game, but I think you guys are running into a buzz saw right now...
Points per play...A&M is #12 at .27, LSU is #20 at .285
3rd down con %...A&M is #18 at 35.42%, LSU is #8 at 33.33
Red zone scoring %..A&M #3 at 61.9%,LSU is #30 at 77.78%
Should be a good game, but I think you guys are running into a buzz saw right now...
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:05 pm to CarRamrod
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AM's QB is no where near as talented at Newton or Masoli
I didn't say that. I said beware he's mobile.
I would take A&M's backup over our 2 if I had to make a choice.
I've watch them all play, especially Jarrod Johnson.
If he wasn't hurt A&M wouldn't have lost to OK State.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:16 pm to Lafayette Liger
Looks like we'll be finding out in a little less than two weeks
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:22 pm to LSU9102
quote:
I've watch them all play, especially Jarrod Johnson.
If he wasn't hurt A&M wouldn't have lost to OK State.
He was hurt when he was throwing 4 ints? and the week before against FIU?
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:27 pm to Lafayette Liger
You also have to take into account how inept LSUs offense has been in some games, forcing the defense to stay on the field. The problem with the ypp is that if you take into account the amount of time we are on the field, the front of the game will look a lot better then the end due to the D getting worn down.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:41 pm to LSUTigahBait
quote:
He was hurt when he was throwing 4 ints? and the week before against FIU?
I think what that poster was getting at was that their original QB Johnson was "hurt" in the sense that he had surgery on his throwing shoulder prior to the season starting. Thus A&M's 3-3 start to the season while he was the QB.
Not sure why the poster focused on the OSU game as Johnson was "hurt" for all 6 of their opening games.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:43 pm to Lafayette Liger
quote:
You also have to take into account how inept LSUs offense has been in some games, forcing the defense to stay on the field.
But as I pointed out in my OP, the A&M defense was on the field for ~20% more plays than LSU.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:45 pm to DeWrecking Crew
quote:
but I think you guys are running into a buzz saw right now
Could we lose...absolutely...but YOU are HARDLY a buzz saw. We've played everybody close this year...buzz saw implies blowout. Not gonna happen aggie boy.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:58 pm to Lafayette Liger
A&M will win this game if LSU isn't on their game.
I am worried about our Offense against their D. Their O will score on our D.
Look for a game like Arky.
I am worried about our Offense against their D. Their O will score on our D.
Look for a game like Arky.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 4:00 pm to MichiganTiger
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lsu will dominate the line of scrimmage. 31-10 tigers.
:geauxtigers:
lsu will dominate the line of scrimmage. 31-10 tigers.



Posted on 12/26/10 at 4:08 pm to Lafayette Liger
quote:
Not sure why the poster focused on the OSU game as Johnson was "hurt" for all 6 of their opening games.
A&M would have another win instead of a loss.
They would have made it to the Big 12 title game.
Only game during that time where they had no chance was the Missouri game.
Arkansas didn't throttle them either.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 4:21 pm to LSU9102
I still don't know why he focused on OSU.
Yeah, things would be different for A&M, but that is true for every game.
Yeah, things would be different for A&M, but that is true for every game.
Posted on 12/26/10 at 4:32 pm to Lafayette Liger
quote:
A&M will win this game if LSU isn't on their game.
I am worried about our Offense against their D. Their O will score on our D.
Look for a game like Arky.
I'm not quite ready to concede this point.
A&M played 4 quality defenses this year Nebraska, Texas, Arkansas and OU.
They scored 9 on NU, 24 on Texas, 17 on Arkansas and 24 against OU (defense/special teams accounted for 9 points thus A&M's total of 33 against the Sooners).
I think A&M will score ~17 points against the LSU D based on their past performances against comparable defenses. Nothing prolific.
If PP can net a TD on ST', the Tigers would have to muster 10-14 points on offense to win the game IMO. Very doable.
This post was edited on 12/26/10 at 4:34 pm
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