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Lafayette Liger
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re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/27/10 at 3:00 am to TulaneTigerFan
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Nah, he was probably upset that the incredibly pompous OP insulted him for no apparent reason.
The dude said LSU played Arkansas closer than A&M when the score CLEARLY showed A&M played the Hogs closer. A&M was actually throwing into the endzone as time expired to try and tie up the game and force OT.
That poster is either a woman or has some kind of congenital birth defect.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/27/10 at 2:52 am to The Mick
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Our D is works overtime beausr our O is putrid
2 things:
1.) You should give up alcohol.
2.) As has been pointed out many times already (it was actually the crux of my first post), A&M's defense has actually been on the field for ~20% more plays than LSU's defense this year.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 8:19 pm to TxTiger82
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But they were drastically different games. LSU was the better team, but two big plays given up by the same defender cost us the game.
Arkansas jumped all over A&M early. The Aggies turned the ball over 3 times in the first half and had no business being in the game after that.
The only reason they were in the game is because they gave up a big play on the last play of the half...a 31 yard TD pass to Fuller that cut the score to 21-14.
After that, Arkansas failed to convert two FG opportunities to put the game away.
The point is that Arkansas was far superior to A&M. They jumped all over them, and then did just enough to withstand a comeback.
LSU, on the other hand, was legitimately better than Arkansas, but gave up two huge plays that cost us the game.
Wow. You are delusional.
Note how you talk about A&M and LSU differently with regards to the Razorbacks. A&M and their WR (Fuller) didn't score, Arkansas "gave" them a TD.
On the contrary when you talk about LSU vs. Arkansas it was LSU that "gave" Arkansas points. The Razorbacks never gifted anything to the Tigers.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 8:15 pm to Lafayette Liger
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seriously liger?? looking at those rankings...unc is BELOW la. tech offensively??? Who does la tech play...v. who does unc play??? You're not comparing apples to apples...if Baylor or FIU played the same schedule as Ole Piss...I don't think they'd be ranked as high from an offensive potency standpoint.
So now we are debating SOS...new topic.
SOS:
#4 - A&M
#14 - LSU
A&M has played a tougher schedule AND they've played tougher offenses.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 5:30 pm to TxTiger82
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What you have failed to account for is the level of competition.
LSU played a much tougher OOC schedule than Texas A&M.
A&M played Stephen F. Austin, Louisiana Tech, Florida International, and Arkansas.
LSU played UNC, West Virginia, McNeese, and ULM. We obviously also played Arkansas as part of our conference schedule and played them much closer than A&M did.
All of that means LSU played one, maybe two, more "legit" game than A&M did. Furthermore, if you consider that UNC represents that extra legit game, you also have to consider that UNC put up a shite ton of yards in the 4th quarter on our second team defense.
Actually I did mention the opposition in my OP although admittedly only on a superficial level (I only listed the top 5 offenses played by each squad). So lets dig a little deeper and list all the offenses faced by both A&M and LSU.
Offense rank of A&M opposition:
#1 Oklahoma State
#10 Arkansas
#12 Oklahoma
#13 Baylor
#18 Texas Tech
#35 Nebraska
#43 FIU
#44 Missouri
#51 Louisiana Tech
#59 Texas
#113 Kansas
NR Stephen F. Austin (not Division I)
Pending - #89 LSU
Offense rank of LSU opposition:
#8 Auburn
#10 Arkansas
#27 Alabama
#45 Mississippi
#46 Mississippi State
#50 North Carolina
#64 West Virginia
#74 Tennessee
#80 Florida
#84 ULM
#110 Vanderbilt
NR McNeese State (not Division I)
Pending - #22 Texas A&M
A&M avg. rank of opponent's offense: 33
LSU avg. rank of opponent's offense: 50
Its actually not even close that A&M's D has faced much tougher offenses on the year.
Also I'm pretty sure I'm being trolled when you said this:
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We obviously also played Arkansas as part of our conference schedule and played them much closer than A&M did.
A&M played them within 7, LSU played them within 8.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 4:32 pm to Lafayette Liger
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A&M will win this game if LSU isn't on their game.
I am worried about our Offense against their D. Their O will score on our D.
Look for a game like Arky.
I'm not quite ready to concede this point.
A&M played 4 quality defenses this year Nebraska, Texas, Arkansas and OU.
They scored 9 on NU, 24 on Texas, 17 on Arkansas and 24 against OU (defense/special teams accounted for 9 points thus A&M's total of 33 against the Sooners).
I think A&M will score ~17 points against the LSU D based on their past performances against comparable defenses. Nothing prolific.
If PP can net a TD on ST', the Tigers would have to muster 10-14 points on offense to win the game IMO. Very doable.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 4:21 pm to LSU9102
I still don't know why he focused on OSU.
Yeah, things would be different for A&M, but that is true for every game.
Yeah, things would be different for A&M, but that is true for every game.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 3:43 pm to Lafayette Liger
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You also have to take into account how inept LSUs offense has been in some games, forcing the defense to stay on the field.
But as I pointed out in my OP, the A&M defense was on the field for ~20% more plays than LSU.
re: How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 3:41 pm to LSUTigahBait
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He was hurt when he was throwing 4 ints? and the week before against FIU?
I think what that poster was getting at was that their original QB Johnson was "hurt" in the sense that he had surgery on his throwing shoulder prior to the season starting. Thus A&M's 3-3 start to the season while he was the QB.
Not sure why the poster focused on the OSU game as Johnson was "hurt" for all 6 of their opening games.
How superior is the LSU D vs A&M D?
Posted by Lafayette Liger on 12/26/10 at 12:26 pm
When looking at the total defense rankings LSU comes in at #8. A&M comes in at #50. LSU's Tiger defense gave up on average 301.7 yds per game this year. A&M's defense gave up 357.5 yds per game.
Case closed right? #8 is a better ranking than #50 and giving up only 300yds is better than giving up 350yds. It would appear so on the surface.
The total defense statistic assumes the defenses are on the field for the same number of plays. Obviously they are not and a lot of that has to do with the team's very own offense...is it a hurry up offense or a grind it out/chew up the clock offense. Obviously a hurry up offense means the defense will be back out on the field more often.
Texas A&M definitely runs a hurry up offense. The Aggies have gone even faster since Tannehill became the QB. Looking at the offense statistics you clearly see how fast they are. They are tied for 6th in the country in total number of plays run this year. Teams ranked 1-5 actually played one more game this year. If you avg. out plays/game, only Oklahoma has more. Thus Texas A&M probably has the second "fastest" offense in the nation meaning their defense is on the field a lot more often.
So how do we resolve the defensive statistics to account for A&M's D being on the field more often due to its hurry up offense? I think the only way is to look at yds/play.
According to yds/play:
#11-Texas A&M (4.7)
#16-LSU (4.8)
These same statistics are consistent when you compare scoring D. LSU gives up 17pts/game, A&M 20 pts/game. But when you factor in A&M's defense being on the field 15-20% more plays, the pts yielded statistics even out.
Do I think A&M has a better defense than LSU b/c of this? No. To truly answer that question you would have to compare the offenses of the opponents they have played. A quick cursory search yields the top 5 offenses played by each team:
A&M:
#1 Ok.State
#10 Arkansas
#12 Oklahoma
#13 Baylor
#18 Texas Tech
LSU:
#8 Auburn
#10 Arkansas
#27 Alabama
#45 Mississippi
#46 MSU
My gut tells me these defenses are a lot closer than anyone would like to believe. They both have mini-geniuses as their DC. They both have a leader of unquestionable talent and sure-fire top 10 NFL draft pick in 2011 who have brought home serious hardware.
I think the same fallacies that we might see with regards to defensive statistics work on the offensive side of the ball as well. On the surface one might think there is a large discrepancy between #22 A&M and #89 LSU in total offense. But so many more factors go into this debate as well. NAMELY, what kind of D is each team facing on the season. Without even performing a cursory search here I think most will agree LSU has been facing much tougher defenses in the SEC than A&M has in the Big 12.
The one area that I think people on both sides of the Cotton Bowl have failed to discuss (and the most important aspect of the game IMO) is Texas A&M punting. A&M ranks #119/120 in the NCAA in punting. #119/#120. And it is much worse than that statistic lets on. It has been so bad that A&M has resorted to having their QB punt on occasion. Rumors have been floating around as well that A&M's starting punter will miss the Cotton Bowl. That means the best guy they have, who happens to be the 2nd worst punter in the nation, will be missing the game with injury. He is the starter for a reason...that reason being he is the best A&M has. Thus the backup must be atrocious. To compound all of this the backup will be punting to one Patrick Peterson. I would be shocked if LSU doesn't get at least 1 TD out of punt returns. Additionally the Tigers should have great field position for most of the day. This will be the difference in the game IMO.
I'm not going to give a prediction. That is Vegas' specialty. Interestingly some sports books have dropped the line to even LINK
probably based on the Stevan Ridley news more than anything.
Add in a Les Miles finish and this could be one of the best bowl games of the year.
Case closed right? #8 is a better ranking than #50 and giving up only 300yds is better than giving up 350yds. It would appear so on the surface.
The total defense statistic assumes the defenses are on the field for the same number of plays. Obviously they are not and a lot of that has to do with the team's very own offense...is it a hurry up offense or a grind it out/chew up the clock offense. Obviously a hurry up offense means the defense will be back out on the field more often.
Texas A&M definitely runs a hurry up offense. The Aggies have gone even faster since Tannehill became the QB. Looking at the offense statistics you clearly see how fast they are. They are tied for 6th in the country in total number of plays run this year. Teams ranked 1-5 actually played one more game this year. If you avg. out plays/game, only Oklahoma has more. Thus Texas A&M probably has the second "fastest" offense in the nation meaning their defense is on the field a lot more often.
So how do we resolve the defensive statistics to account for A&M's D being on the field more often due to its hurry up offense? I think the only way is to look at yds/play.
According to yds/play:
#11-Texas A&M (4.7)
#16-LSU (4.8)
These same statistics are consistent when you compare scoring D. LSU gives up 17pts/game, A&M 20 pts/game. But when you factor in A&M's defense being on the field 15-20% more plays, the pts yielded statistics even out.
Do I think A&M has a better defense than LSU b/c of this? No. To truly answer that question you would have to compare the offenses of the opponents they have played. A quick cursory search yields the top 5 offenses played by each team:
A&M:
#1 Ok.State
#10 Arkansas
#12 Oklahoma
#13 Baylor
#18 Texas Tech
LSU:
#8 Auburn
#10 Arkansas
#27 Alabama
#45 Mississippi
#46 MSU
My gut tells me these defenses are a lot closer than anyone would like to believe. They both have mini-geniuses as their DC. They both have a leader of unquestionable talent and sure-fire top 10 NFL draft pick in 2011 who have brought home serious hardware.
I think the same fallacies that we might see with regards to defensive statistics work on the offensive side of the ball as well. On the surface one might think there is a large discrepancy between #22 A&M and #89 LSU in total offense. But so many more factors go into this debate as well. NAMELY, what kind of D is each team facing on the season. Without even performing a cursory search here I think most will agree LSU has been facing much tougher defenses in the SEC than A&M has in the Big 12.
The one area that I think people on both sides of the Cotton Bowl have failed to discuss (and the most important aspect of the game IMO) is Texas A&M punting. A&M ranks #119/120 in the NCAA in punting. #119/#120. And it is much worse than that statistic lets on. It has been so bad that A&M has resorted to having their QB punt on occasion. Rumors have been floating around as well that A&M's starting punter will miss the Cotton Bowl. That means the best guy they have, who happens to be the 2nd worst punter in the nation, will be missing the game with injury. He is the starter for a reason...that reason being he is the best A&M has. Thus the backup must be atrocious. To compound all of this the backup will be punting to one Patrick Peterson. I would be shocked if LSU doesn't get at least 1 TD out of punt returns. Additionally the Tigers should have great field position for most of the day. This will be the difference in the game IMO.
I'm not going to give a prediction. That is Vegas' specialty. Interestingly some sports books have dropped the line to even LINK
probably based on the Stevan Ridley news more than anything.
Add in a Les Miles finish and this could be one of the best bowl games of the year.
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