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re: How has Miles improved as a coach?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:23 am to beejon
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:23 am to beejon
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Are you saying that Miles has significantly improved as a coach during is tenure at LSU? If so, where was the tremendous improvement during the NC game? Less than 100 yards total offense and 5 first downs for the entire game. What coaching improvement produces such stats?
So you're going to completley ignore the 13-0 record, dominant defensive performance all year, and turn your focus on one game?
Look no one is saying Miles is perfect. But where he has improved the most is recruiting. He has a defensive scheme built around speed at the DLine and an offensive scheme that is based on power football.
I am disappointed as anyone else about the NC game, but the fact is Miles has LSU in a position to win the SEC and NC on a yearly basis. He is having more success with 'his' players than with Saban's. You can't argue with his record. He has 2 SEC Championships and a National Title in the toughest conference in football. You can't ask for much more. Unless you're one of those morons who thinks its easy to win at LSU and Miles should win every game 65-0.
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:29 am to Chimlim
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Chimlim
Well said.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:33 am to Choctaw
A ban bet? I'll be happy to be wrong, I like to see LSU winning. Miles hasn't improved in his coaching ability during his tenure at LSU in my opinion. I hope his coaching ability is improved in the upcoming season He's a great guy, high character and if he finishes with a NC, that would be wonderful.
Thing is, it's just a game, not life and death, relatively unimportant to the future of society and all. My week isn't ruined if LSU loses a game, nor is the world improved at all if LSU wins every game next season. It's a game. Entertainment. If a football team winning or losing a game starts affecting my life, I'll just stop watching the game.
Thing is, it's just a game, not life and death, relatively unimportant to the future of society and all. My week isn't ruined if LSU loses a game, nor is the world improved at all if LSU wins every game next season. It's a game. Entertainment. If a football team winning or losing a game starts affecting my life, I'll just stop watching the game.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:34 am to 2007lsuno1
Anyone who says Miles hasn't improved as a coach, would you kindly name one coach who won as many games as Coach Miles last year? TIA
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:45 am to JJ27
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Your list teaches us a valuable lesson. Awards should be given after the bowls.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:46 am to beejon
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Miles hasn't improved in his coaching ability during his tenure at LSU in my opinion
well your opinion seemed to change after one game....thats why i don't take it seriously
Posted on 7/16/12 at 9:51 am to Patrick_Bateman
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Anyone who says Miles hasn't improved as a coach, would you kindly name one coach who won as many games as Coach Miles last year? TIA
Posted on 7/16/12 at 10:16 am to 2007lsuno1
WoW, it is painfully obvious that foozbawl season needs to hurry the F up. 8-4??? The meth must be good in your neck of the woods. I keed I keed. This thread illustrates how bad we are jonesing for Tiger football. To answer the OP, Miles has improved in Clock Managment and Recruitment, his two biggest qmarks in his career at LSU. Going forward I think the one area he needs to focus on is himself. He needs to place some distance between himself and his players. Don't be a buddy to the players be their coach and make the tough calls.
On a side note, I missed the ballz out crazy Miles last year. He seemed tamer and didn't go for the risky calls when it counted, see NCG. He did not need to during the reg season, but in the big game, JJ and JL proved that they couldn't beat the Bama D. I wanted to see the Mad Hatter come out and Put in Mett and some unconventional play calling. Even if we still lost the game in that scenario, it would have been Miles doing what Miles does best not trying to coach like Saban.
On a side note, I missed the ballz out crazy Miles last year. He seemed tamer and didn't go for the risky calls when it counted, see NCG. He did not need to during the reg season, but in the big game, JJ and JL proved that they couldn't beat the Bama D. I wanted to see the Mad Hatter come out and Put in Mett and some unconventional play calling. Even if we still lost the game in that scenario, it would have been Miles doing what Miles does best not trying to coach like Saban.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 10:24 am to Chimlim
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But where he has improved the most
Improvement, like beauty, is often judged/seen though the eye of the beholder.
We can argue till the cows come home bout improvement or not, but what can't be denied and what is easy to see by any willing to open their eyes is that Miles has LSU football performing at the highest level of success LSU football has EVER known both in the SEC and nationally.
Is there really anything else that's more important?
Winning is the best measuring stick of all and Miles is winning since 05 at the highest level among BCS football and SEC football. All at a time SEC football owns college football.
And thats not conjecture or opinion....thats fact.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/16/12 at 10:26 am to JJ27
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Awards should be given after the bowls.
Why? The bowl results will simply skew the results. The Awards are for the season, not the last game. Look how many people in this thread were quick to jump in an say Miles hasn't improved as a coach because of the result of 1 game. That's ridiculous, 1 game doesn't tell you anything except that was a bad game.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 10:41 am to beejon
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The question was, How has Miles improved as a coach? It's my opinion he hasn't. I don't think he's significantly better now than he was when he started.
Then you are niether not paying attention, don't understand the question or have standards that are impossible to met.
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I again point out the coaching in the NC game. It was joke, a bad joke
It was 1 game out of 14 last year and nearly 100 as coach at LSU. It was also against 1 of the 2-3 best he's faced at LSU.
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Where were the adjustments in the game? When things weren't working, play after play after play after play, what changes were made?
How do you know there weren't any adjustments and they just weren't executed? Where you in the huddles? In the locker room at half time? No, you were not, so you have no fricking clue what if any adjustments were made. You are just an angry fan frustrated by a poor performace and want to pin all the blame on the coach, which is absolutlely ridiculous, but very easy.
You act as if its all about game planning and asjustments as if the players don't have to actually execute. Does it matter what play was called if the OL gets blown off the ball every play? What if the QB checks out? What adjustments should be made to stop that genius? Did you ever consider the other team might just anticipate your adjustments and stop them?
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Has Miles improved ad a coach. No, he hasn't and the NC game is a glaring example of that
It was a bad game, time to get over it. There's a lot more to coaching than adjustments in one game. If you don't see the improvements in recruiting and hiring of assistants and the over all direction of the program you are missing out.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 10:44 am to beejon
quote:In other words, you're sure we'll go 13-1 again? That would be the same, you say nothing will be different.
I know I have no confidence anything will be any different.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:10 am to lake chuck fan
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I agree. I think this is one of his stronger points, after each "problem" of the past seasons,(Co-Def. Coordinators, Clock Management, Better Assistants), CLM seemed to address the issue and correct it.
This! Miles seems to learn from his mistakes and corrects the problem. However, he does not seem to be able to anticipate problems beforehand to avoid them. Like if this offense is shut down, our plan B will be... And, if necessary, plan C will be... As a result he corrects the problems but others appear that may have been prevented with some forethought and planning.
The problem with the clock was because of no what if forethought. What if the pass is completed but short of the gaol line. Our plan B will be... Have the field goal unit in position to run on the field? If X seconds or more, clock it? If X seconds or less, line up and run a play when official starts the clock. And if we run a play, based on field position, it will be X.
Seems to me most of Miles' problems have been associated with fore planning different scenarios. And being prepared to instantly respond to those scenarios as they play out.
Also It seems he cannot adapt to using players who do not fit his pound and ground offense. There should have been some way to maximize Shepard's abilities or the numerous others similar to him. It seems if a RB is not 220+ pounds and a banger, there is no place for him in Miles offense. What would have happened if Skyler Green, Percy Harvin, LaMichael James, Marshall Faulk, Tony Dorsett or Barry Sanders played for Miles? Not saying Shepard or the others are on that level. But that those players do not fit Miles' style RB. Would Tony Dorsett and Barry Sanders been limited to 3 or 4 carries per game? Since they both were not the drop your head and plow for a couple more yards type runners, I believe they would have not been fully used under Miles' system.
Wouldn't some coaches have found a way to use DeAngelo Petterson, a wide receiver masquerading as a tight end. Doesn't that create a major mismatch waiting to happen? Wouldn't another coach found a way to have Shepard throw one pass duing his career? Since he was the top ranked dual threat QB in the nation. One pass?
I am not a Miles hater. But I do realize he is not perfect. Those are the areas I feel that he could improve in. He has done a great job at LSU. But can anyone argue that there should not have been an undefeated season along the way? How many are confident of an undefeated season next year.
There is always that fear of some F-up that has occured each year under Miles. Last year it happened in the last game. It was not the loss but how we lost. ZERO points? Crossed the 50 once? No adjustments? No changes? Our team was much better than that. They were let down by the coaching staff and that is on Miles.
I like Miles. I like him as the coach of LSU. But deep down, there is that fear that he will F-up when it matters most.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:45 am to beejon
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I again point out the coaching in the NC game. It was joke, a bad joke. Where were the adjustments in the game? When things weren't working, play after play after play after play, what changes were made? I'm not talking about just the failure to change quarterbacks, but the whole game management. LSU had 92 yards, 92 YARDS and 5 FIRST DOWNS for the entire game!!
Has Miles improved ad a coach. No, he hasn't and the NC game is a glaring example of that.
He stuck to his gameplan against Arky and GA immediately prior...that seemed to be the right plan inspite of a dismal start.
Do you suggest changes MUST be made to expect a different result. Keep in mind he is not playing a computer simulation, he is playing real time with real time variances on both sides of the ball.
Up the gut gets stuffed for no gain....no you suggest we never try it again.
Post pattern for 40 yards, do you suggest we only throw 40 yard posts?
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 11:50 am
Posted on 7/16/12 at 11:48 am to justustm2
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Traindon's
He was good.
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It seems if a RB is not 220+ pounds and a banger, there is no place for him
Ford and Blue arent bangers by any stretch of the imagination. One was our leading rusher.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:08 pm to tigerfoot
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Ford and Blue arent bangers by any stretch of the imagination. One was our leading rusher.
But they had to become bangers to get more playing time. Although the leading rusher, was he rewarded with more or less carries?
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:12 pm to tigerfoot
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He was good.
Quit being juvenile. I hit send before the post was completed and corrected.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:28 pm to justustm2
By the way I feel Coach Miles has improved dramatically since he arrived at LSU. He improved his recruiting from recruiting to a second level school versus recruiting at a top level school. This year is a prime example, with the level of OOS recruits. Next year, probably even more so. We are creating more of a national profile in recruiting. That is an improvement.
He has improved just by correcting any problems in the program. He has improved the level of assistant coaches on his staff.
It should be noted that under Miles, LSU has always matched or exceeded preseason predictions except for 2 times that I can think of. Also LSU has only lost one OCC game.
If he learns from his mistakes, as it appears he has done in the past, I would not expect another game where there are no ajustments made, when we are being dominated. I believe, he will have plans B, C, D, if necessary. I believe he will leave nothing in the bag, if confronted with that situation again.
He has improved just by correcting any problems in the program. He has improved the level of assistant coaches on his staff.
It should be noted that under Miles, LSU has always matched or exceeded preseason predictions except for 2 times that I can think of. Also LSU has only lost one OCC game.
If he learns from his mistakes, as it appears he has done in the past, I would not expect another game where there are no ajustments made, when we are being dominated. I believe, he will have plans B, C, D, if necessary. I believe he will leave nothing in the bag, if confronted with that situation again.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:29 pm to justustm2
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Although the leading rusher, was he rewarded with more or less carries?
He had 10 more carries than the second leading rusher over the last 6 regular season games.
And the one that was lagging in productivity lost carries to another back.
So the leading rusher got more carries and the lagging rusher got fewer.
Probably not the actual evidence you had in your head.. But they are facts, spin em however you want!
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:31 pm to tigerfoot
(Not a response to Tigerfoot - just pickin'up the thread at that point)
I don't think many of those posting in the thread understand the OP. It's a relative question: how much better is CLM now than he was in '05?
IMO, he's learned to not to hire duds as assistants and the utter importance of recruiting. Beyond that, I don't think he's improved that much. And for every two imrpovements forward there seems to be one regress.
Are we that much better now than we were in '05? Yes, but only marginally so. And to be fair, I'm not sure there was lots of room for improvement. We were a very strong program when Les arrived.
I don't think many of those posting in the thread understand the OP. It's a relative question: how much better is CLM now than he was in '05?
IMO, he's learned to not to hire duds as assistants and the utter importance of recruiting. Beyond that, I don't think he's improved that much. And for every two imrpovements forward there seems to be one regress.
Are we that much better now than we were in '05? Yes, but only marginally so. And to be fair, I'm not sure there was lots of room for improvement. We were a very strong program when Les arrived.
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