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re: How has Miles improved as a coach?
Posted on 7/17/12 at 7:34 am to siliconvalleytiger
Posted on 7/17/12 at 7:34 am to siliconvalleytiger
Les is a smart administrator who makes wise choices in his assistants. The program's future is very secure in my opinion.
I will admit he is no Saban in some areas as we all know, but he can recruit just as well. And he has proven his teams can beat Saban's when they have the same amount of time to prepare.
I will admit he is no Saban in some areas as we all know, but he can recruit just as well. And he has proven his teams can beat Saban's when they have the same amount of time to prepare.
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 7:47 am to Tigerik
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but I no longer believe that Gary Crowton was the only reason for our poor offensive showing during his last 2 yrs.
Yea the Wiz didn't go on to terpville and ruin Danny Obrien either.
So Miles gets the credit for offensive inefficiency, but forfeits it to his OCs when offenses are doing well?
Who is the common denominator in 4/5 LSU top scoring offenses in LSU history?
I'll giver you a hint.
It wasn't an offensive coordinator.
Quit living in a hate cave and buy a media guide, then look up The Record Book inside.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 8:04 am to Hurricane Mike
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He has effectively ran off 2 offensive coordinators and imposed this dysfunction of an offense on his offensive coordinators.
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Well the offense has performed that way for 4 years and he's only getting a pass on that because the defense and special teams have won us games. Les doesn't want to hire a "real" OC.
you should probably stop posting now
Posted on 7/17/12 at 8:19 am to theunknownknight
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Is Miles a better coach than Saban?
No way. Saban is a genius.
Saban proved this last year by beating Miles at home, winning the SECW, then winning the SECCG.
Miles was stupid for lobbying for a second shot at Saban. God knows if Saban beats you once, and you beg for another shot at him, he's just going to humiliate you. That's what geniuses do.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 8:22 am to Hoodoo Man
quote:I disagree totally. There's a lot of good points, both pro and con, for Les in this thread.
Here's a follow-up question.
How has the rant improved as a forum for intelligent discussion?
It hasn't.
You don't have to be at total kool aid drinker to be a fan, you can look at things with a critical eye and make an observation, while still being a dedicated fan.
Just because people's opinions don't jive with yours doesn't make their points invalid or "un-intelligent".
Posted on 7/17/12 at 8:31 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Just because people's opinions don't jive with yours doesn't make their points invalid or "un-intelligent".
true....but they usually are.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:46 am to Mayhawman
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Yea the Wiz didn't go on to terpville and ruin Danny Obrien either.
Isn't there more to this story than the arrival/departure of Crowton and O'Brien?
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:56 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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You don't have to be at total kool aid drinker to be a fan, you can look at things with a critical eye and make an observation, while still being a dedicated fan.
If all one sees/wishes to discuss is the results of 1-9 with no thought to the results of the 13 games that came before in a thread speaking to improved or not, they are not using a "critical eye" but a blind one.
The same staff/coach who was in charge for the 14th game was also in charge for the 1st 13.
So, if you/we wish to call them/him out for sucking at his job in the 14th game as they/he did no matter the reason, we should also be willing to praise them/him for the results which enabled LSU to reach game #14 and include those games in the discussion rather than whisk them away as not being relevant or label them as meaningless.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:18 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:BYU and UO complaints, if that's what you mean.
Isn't there more to this story than the arrival/departure of Crowton and O'Brien?
Not sure how he's fared in CFL.
Otherwise you can see improvement in LSU football in all areas, so I say yes the most successful LSU coach ever has improved.
This is about to be his 2nd run of B2B2B 10+ win seasons and I expect his current team to push the 2003 team out of the top 5 LSU offenses of all time to give him all 5 top spots.
Like him or not, that's dynasty shite there.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:21 pm to Carter
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When you tank it in a national title game and fail to give good answers as to what happened and to change nothing about how to beat Bama on offense. All good grace disappears (at least for me).
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:24 pm to A1tiger
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He could have explained why Mett sucked so bad. Mett has to be terrible if he wasn't better than the worst qb in NCAA history. Lee made 2 bad passes against Bama and never saw the field again. Please go back and watch the UGA game. How the hell was JJ ever allowed to touch the field again? He contributed zero to that game and was as inaccurate as I've ever seen any qb. Same story in the BCSNCG, but no change. I think Mett was ready, but miles gave up. Kind of funny how Mett was terrible on 1/9, but great 2 months later according to the coaches. I'm just glad Lee and that other guy are gone, so miles can find a different position to screw up.
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
Prior to the BCSNCG, at some point, Miles said the Tigers were ready... "we do what we do." In other words, "we run the ball and we are going to keep doing what we do." If Miles thought he was going to beat Bama again doing that, he was wrong and obviously, he was. To beat Bama in the BCSNCG he was going to need to throw something at Bama they hadn't seen before and he didn't do it.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:32 pm to Mayhawman
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Like him or not, that's dynasty shite there
I do like him as a HC and as a man, but "dynasty shite" requires more than 2 SEC titles and 1 NC in 7 years. imo
I'm not sure if SEC football will ever see a dynasty like with the Bear again.
Just keep winning better than any BCS school or SECa school and I will be happy.
This post was edited on 7/17/12 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:32 pm to justustm2
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This! Miles seems to learn from his mistakes and corrects the problem. However, he does not seem to be able to anticipate problems beforehand to avoid them. Like if this offense is shut down, our plan B will be... And, if necessary, plan C will be... As a result he corrects the problems but others appear that may have been prevented with some forethought and planning. The problem with the clock was because of no what if forethought. What if the pass is completed but short of the gaol line. Our plan B will be... Have the field goal unit in position to run on the field? If X seconds or more, clock it? If X seconds or less, line up and run a play when official starts the clock. And if we run a play, based on field position, it will be X. Seems to me most of Miles' problems have been associated with fore planning different scenarios. And being prepared to instantly respond to those scenarios as they play out. Also It seems he cannot adapt to using players who do not fit his pound and ground offense. There should have been some way to maximize Shepard's abilities or the numerous others similar to him. It seems if a RB is not 220+ pounds and a banger, there is no place for him in Miles offense. What would have happened if Skyler Green, Percy Harvin, LaMichael James, Marshall Faulk, Tony Dorsett or Barry Sanders played for Miles? Not saying Shepard or the others are on that level. But that those players do not fit Miles' style RB. Would Tony Dorsett and Barry Sanders been limited to 3 or 4 carries per game? Since they both were not the drop your head and plow for a couple more yards type runners, I believe they would have not been fully used under Miles' system. Wouldn't some coaches have found a way to use DeAngelo Petterson, a wide receiver masquerading as a tight end. Doesn't that create a major mismatch waiting to happen? Wouldn't another coach found a way to have Shepard throw one pass duing his career? Since he was the top ranked dual threat QB in the nation. One pass? I am not a Miles hater. But I do realize he is not perfect. Those are the areas I feel that he could improve in. He has done a great job at LSU. But can anyone argue that there should not have been an undefeated season along the way? How many are confident of an undefeated season next year. There is always that fear of some F-up that has occured each year under Miles. Last year it happened in the last game. It was not the loss but how we lost. ZERO points? Crossed the 50 once? No adjustments? No changes? Our team was much better than that. They were let down by the coaching staff and that is on Miles. I like Miles. I like him as the coach of LSU. But deep down, there is that fear that he will F-up when it matters most.
Very good post.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:58 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Name an LSU coaching term with better creds and I'll stfu.
2012 will result in 75% 10+ win seasons at LSU.
2012 will result in 75% 10+ win seasons at LSU.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:59 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Clock management
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:30 pm to Mayhawman
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Name an LSU coaching term with better creds
There isn't one.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 2:46 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Les doesn't know how to properly evaluate his better QB talent on any given team (except perhaps this coming year)
Saban was far from genius in the FG kicking situations he continually put his kicker in last season in their home game with LSU. That was flat out dumb.
Saban was far from genius in the FG kicking situations he continually put his kicker in last season in their home game with LSU. That was flat out dumb.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 2:55 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:I have about 14,000 posts praising them.
So, if you/we wish to call them/him out for sucking at his job in the 14th game as they/he did no matter the reason, we should also be willing to praise them/him for the results which enabled LSU to reach game #14 and include those games in the discussion rather than whisk them away as not being relevant or label them as meaningless.
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