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How effective are high scoring offenses in winning the NC?
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:11 am
New offenses like the Pistol, the spread, etc. have set all kinds of scoring records over the last few years, however, with the exception of Auburn and Cam Newton, they have not won any national championships as far as I can determine. LINK
The more traditional offenses like Alabama, LSU, Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Texas seem to be more effective in the long run.
I do believe however that the traditional offenses do need some creativity, deception, and unpredictability to reach max potential. That IMHO is what Cam Cameron brings to the table for LSU this year.
What do you think?
The more traditional offenses like Alabama, LSU, Florida, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Texas seem to be more effective in the long run.
I do believe however that the traditional offenses do need some creativity, deception, and unpredictability to reach max potential. That IMHO is what Cam Cameron brings to the table for LSU this year.
What do you think?
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Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:15 am to LSU2THEMAX
Whichever team Saban coaches.
PS - what's the old saying.. Offense sells tickets, Defense wins championships.
PS - what's the old saying.. Offense sells tickets, Defense wins championships.
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:16 am to LSU2THEMAX
I think pitching is just as important
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:17 am to aaronb023
Exactly, Bregman and Katz can both hit over ,500 but it won't matter if Nola and Edes can't throw the ball over the plate.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:19 am to LSU2THEMAX
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Whichever team Saban coaches.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:19 am to Broski
It's amazing how prolific Vandy's offense has been this season, but you have to take that with a grain of salt considering the inferior nature of pitching in the Eastern Division.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:21 am to Doc Fenton
And the fact that they missed out on the 2 best west opponents. Vandy is still a very dangerous team and will be the odds on favorite to win it all.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:26 am to LSU2THEMAX
Based on your definition of "new offenses" I wouldn't say Florida, Texas or Oklahoma were "traditional offenses." So in answer to your question, it looks to be about the same effectivness.
Simply put, the teams with the best players and the ability to fully utilize their talents generally win the National Championship regardless of what "style" they employ. Teams like UF, Tex. and Auburn had outstanding dual-threat QB's and used them to the fullest to win titles. Teams like LSU and Bama had outstanding defenses and solid OL play. They rode that formula to the NC
Simply put, the teams with the best players and the ability to fully utilize their talents generally win the National Championship regardless of what "style" they employ. Teams like UF, Tex. and Auburn had outstanding dual-threat QB's and used them to the fullest to win titles. Teams like LSU and Bama had outstanding defenses and solid OL play. They rode that formula to the NC
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:29 am to Broski
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I think pitching is just as important
WTF? How did this get to be a baseball thread?!
I know it is baseball season, and I am just as engrossed as most LSU fans are, but I can think on more than one subject at a time. I am excited about basketball this fall as well!
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:32 am to LSU2THEMAX
my b...i must have misread the OP. i just figured with LSU having probably the best season ever this was a baseball thread
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:32 am to Alt26
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Simply put, the teams with the best players and the ability to fully utilize their talents generally win the National Championship regardless of what "style" they employ. Teams like UF, Tex. and Auburn had outstanding dual-threat QB's and used them to the fullest to win titles. Teams like LSU and Bama had outstanding defenses and solid OL play. They rode that formula to the NC
Great response!
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:34 am to LSU2THEMAX
Well, let's see. Texas' NC came with VY and a non-traditional offense. Florida's 2nd was with Tebow, Percy, and a non-traditional offense. Then we have Auburn and Cam. So it looks to be about 50/50 the past decade or so.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:36 am to LSU2THEMAX
depends on what kind of high scoring offense. nebraska and oklahoma won a lot with run dominated offense. it you are talking about the "spread" offense there are just too many versions to make a general statement. the true spread has won none; neither did the run and shoot. the teams that have won had great defenses and running games but could pass the damn ball effectively also. the type of offense ain't near as important as some peoople say, imo.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:51 am to Doc Fenton
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It's amazing how prolific Vandy's offense has been this season, but you have to take that with a grain of salt considering the inferior nature of pitching in the Eastern Division.
agreed, the best arms IMO (aside from Vandy of course), are in the western division
Posted on 5/13/13 at 11:52 am to LSU2THEMAX
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traditional offenses
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Ohio State, Oklahoma
both are spread teams
Posted on 5/13/13 at 12:01 pm to LSU2THEMAX
There is a tendency-- not limited to this board-- to take the idea that defense wins championships or high powered offenses don't and turn that into a mantra or caricature of sorts.
Certainly one dominant aspect (offense or defense) can make you a contender. But if the other side of the ball isn't that effective, your chances of winning it all are decreased. Saying it's necessary to be balanced, though, is just another over-generalization. Still, I think there is some truth to striving for balance (being really good on both sides of the ball). Certainly, LSU's 2011 offense (for whatever reason the offense became progressively worse with the switch to JJ after the first Bama game) is what kept it from winning it all (in contrast to Bama's better balance on both sides of the ball that year.
In the last 20 or so years, off the top of my head , UF in 1996, Texas in 2005 and Auburn in 2010 were championship teams that were more highly regarded for offense than defense.
In my mind the next group of teams I mention is debatable, as these teams all had highly regarded defenses. But Urban Meyer's at the time innovative spread offenses which won the BCS for UF in 2006 & 2008 could put up a lot of points; so could the USC teams of 2003 - 2004 (despite one being AP only and the other being vacated due to infractions). I don't remember clearly, but suspect FSU in 1999 and Miami in 2001 were pretty high scoring. And the Nebraska teams of the mid 90s might not have had much of a passing attack, but had very high powered running games.
I think the only thing that can be said with certainty is that if a team has a high scoring offense, but average or worse defense (like Mike Leach's Texas Tech teams... and arguably Oregon the past few years... though Oregon's defense started to be competitive) you will have trouble winning it all. But even those TTU and Oregon teams have been very close to making it to the big game. And if they had made it-- who knows-- they might have been on that night the way Utah was when they made Alabama look silly in the 2009 Sugar Bowl.
eta: I was assuming football, too. But the general premise of being really good on both offense and defense (not necessarily fantastic on one) has merit for any sport.
Certainly one dominant aspect (offense or defense) can make you a contender. But if the other side of the ball isn't that effective, your chances of winning it all are decreased. Saying it's necessary to be balanced, though, is just another over-generalization. Still, I think there is some truth to striving for balance (being really good on both sides of the ball). Certainly, LSU's 2011 offense (for whatever reason the offense became progressively worse with the switch to JJ after the first Bama game) is what kept it from winning it all (in contrast to Bama's better balance on both sides of the ball that year.
In the last 20 or so years, off the top of my head , UF in 1996, Texas in 2005 and Auburn in 2010 were championship teams that were more highly regarded for offense than defense.
In my mind the next group of teams I mention is debatable, as these teams all had highly regarded defenses. But Urban Meyer's at the time innovative spread offenses which won the BCS for UF in 2006 & 2008 could put up a lot of points; so could the USC teams of 2003 - 2004 (despite one being AP only and the other being vacated due to infractions). I don't remember clearly, but suspect FSU in 1999 and Miami in 2001 were pretty high scoring. And the Nebraska teams of the mid 90s might not have had much of a passing attack, but had very high powered running games.
I think the only thing that can be said with certainty is that if a team has a high scoring offense, but average or worse defense (like Mike Leach's Texas Tech teams... and arguably Oregon the past few years... though Oregon's defense started to be competitive) you will have trouble winning it all. But even those TTU and Oregon teams have been very close to making it to the big game. And if they had made it-- who knows-- they might have been on that night the way Utah was when they made Alabama look silly in the 2009 Sugar Bowl.
eta: I was assuming football, too. But the general premise of being really good on both offense and defense (not necessarily fantastic on one) has merit for any sport.
This post was edited on 5/13/13 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/13/13 at 12:12 pm to LSU2THEMAX
Man, some of these posters have really short attention spans... I look forward to AND enjoy the big 3 sports simultaneously.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 12:43 pm to Broski
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Exactly, Bregman and Katz can both hit over ,500 but it won't matter if Nola and Edes can't throw the ball over the plate.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 12:54 pm to LSU Tiger 216
Defenses do win championships when they are agreed as utterly dominant. However balanced offense is critical to closing games out and winning the games the defense can not. Cam will add the NFL pedigree involving match ups and formations at key times in games that will put the most pressure on the opposing defenses. Keep in mind we were one first down away from beating Bama and one decent offensive series away from beating Florida.
Posted on 5/13/13 at 9:12 pm to LSU2THEMAX
I still believe the triple option can get it done..
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