re: How does Mainieri stack up?

Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:43 pm to LSURussian

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coaches have been fired for less (bfniii)
That sounds a lot like you think he should be fired

when did i post this? even if i had posted that, it's just a statement of fact and not any sort of desire on my part. i have repeatedly said that i am not advocating for him to be fired. i don't know how else to make that clear. i want pm to be successful because if he is successful, lsu is successful. i want him to trend upward and i think it can happen if this team gets healthy

Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:44 pm to lsufball19

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I guess we should go ahead and remove Oregon State and Arizona from the list

i never included ariz

Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

17840 posts

Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:49 pm to lsufball19

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why lie did I say about you?

"you've said LSU is heads and shoulders above everyone"

i never said any such thing. that was just on the previous page. it took 5 seconds to find.

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as opposed to 2010?

um, 2010 makes the situation WORSE. it shows a longer trend. adding '09 helps his case marginally

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I guess when you've exhausted everything else, might as well start building strawmen

quoting you is not building a strawman. you said "ok" and "meh" to pm's postseason results which are clearly NOT #1, even WITH '09.

Posted by LSURussian

Member since Feb 2005

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Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:50 pm to bfniii

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when did i post this?

I'll channel my inner John McEnroe, "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!"

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Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

17840 posts

Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:57 pm to lsufball19

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no, they kind of haven't

they absolutely have and i have listed the instances

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yes, because i was the one who posted them

you posted a "list" but it certainly wasn't a list that got anywhere beyond the superficial

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oh so a list WAS provided, you have just made up your mind on how people arrived with their list.

no, i quoted the "lists." did those lists include all factors of facilities? no, they didn't. yet, the pm crew sure didn't hesitate to assert that LSU'S NOT #1 IN FACILITIES. again, think about what's been happening for dozens of posts. pm defenders are scouring for ANY reason to diminish the status of the program in order to make excuses for pm.

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Funny how you take offense at assumptions being made like that when it pertains to you

i quoted the lists directly

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also a subjective opinion of yours

prove that several other schools have "better" tradition. and even if you could, which you can't, that is only one slice of the pie, which i have been explaining

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eh, it's still among the premier programs in the country but there is no clear #1 at the present time

well, there is to reasonable people who aren't making excuses for pm. i've listed the criteria than any reasonable person would use to make such an evaluation; facilities, budget, fan support, exposure, tradition, etc. all things considered, lsu is absolutely the premier program in the country.

i have also given you a fortiori. if you want to say several other programs are equal, that still doesn't explain pm's postseason record.

Posted by lsufball19

Franklin, TN

Member since Sep 2008

64622 posts

Posted on 5/1/19 at 4:05 pm to bfniii

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i never said any such thing. that was just on the previous page. it took 5 seconds to find.

someone asked you who was below LSU and/or who was on the same tier as LSU and you said "no one"

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um, 2010 makes the situation WORSE. it shows a longer trend. adding '09 helps his case marginally

adding a national title and 5 more wins in Omaha does not only help him marginally. I can't believe you're actually trying to argue this. Pretty amazing.

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quoting you is not building a strawman.

that's not what you did, though

Look, I'll give it to you, you're definitely committed, but your mental gymnastics are too funny.

Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 5/1/19 at 4:07 pm to lsufball19

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There are coaches with better resumes than PM, but they are at schools and jobs they aren't going to leave

this is not part of your previous statement. here it was: "Those supporting him have not said he's the best in the country but rather a potential replacement likely does not have the resume he does." nothing about "they aren't leaving." your statement was sophistry.

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no, it has not

i listed the instances. you are factually wrong. would you like for me to quote them again? or would you rather go back through the thread like a big boy and find them for yourself?

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right

so you just glossed over my explanation for how you are wrong with a blithe "right?" this is why you people can't be treated rationally.

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you have used facts to build credence for your opinion

completely, patently and utterly wrong. i posted win/loss records. the conclusion is facile, cogent and ineluctable. pm is not #1. then the excuses and goalpost shifting starts. that is not an opinion in any way, shape or form.

you people are just flat out delusional. you can't even call facts facts.

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I think you're wrong

heh. check out the board whenever lsu falls behind in a midweek game. you know you're wrong on this but you're too stubborn to admit it. the baseball mood on this board has been disintegrating over the years and has escalated this year particularly. heck, there is a thread RIGHT NOW on the first page about oregon st struggling with mid week games.

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again, you are wrong

again, you didn't even interact with my response. you just ignored it. good job

Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 5/1/19 at 4:08 pm to LSURussian

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I'll channel my inner John McEnroe, "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!"

Top 10 active college baseball coaches in final RPI since 2008

so my other response stands. i never said to fire pm. not ever. not once

Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

17840 posts

Posted on 5/1/19 at 4:15 pm to lsufball19

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someone asked you who was below LSU and/or who was on the same tier as LSU and you said "no one"

that does not equal "head and shoulders" now does it? no. it's also telling that no one responded to the budget numbers i posted.

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adding a national title and 5 more wins in Omaha does not only help him marginally.

in the overall scheme, that is correct. it only helps him marginally. it still does not get him to #1. it gets him a LITTLE closer. and you have to go back to '09 for that. it's crazy that the pm crew isn't bothered by that. this has been 20 pages of cognitive dissonance.

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that's not what you did, though

yes it is. again, you said "oh" and "meh."

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you're definitely committed

it's merely a case of me not giving in to the pm crew saying that win/loss records are not facts. also, i'm not letting the lies about my posts go unchallenged because i don't want anyone saying i want pm fired or any other such nonsense.

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your mental gymnastics are too funny.

again, win/loss records are now "mental gymnastics" yet "i know what facilities are better than lsu's because i've watched tv in the last few months" is totally a fact

Posted by lsufball19

Franklin, TN

Member since Sep 2008

64622 posts

Posted on 5/1/19 at 5:13 pm to bfniii

You’re hopeless my man, just a small tiny step above the mindlessness ramblings of madking’s rants the first half of this thread. If you’re going to continue to be intellectually dishonest about what arguments have actually been made (even your own) then I’m done discussing this with you. Either that or you’ve made it abundantly clear you have no idea what’s actually being argued by me or anyone else. In either case, Bye

This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 5:20 pm