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re: How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:56 pm to biglego
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:56 pm to biglego
quote:When RS came to LSU, he suddenly lost all of his abilities at QB, amazing. Bottom line he was given a raw deal, probably given promises that weren't kept (we will give you a shot at QB), and then amazingly 'convinced' that he would make a good WR after his 2nd year in college (meanwhile, he had never played WR in his life, couldn't run a route, and didn't have good hands).
but its crazy to think the #1 dual threat QB couldnt go elsewhere and get a shot at QB. He wasnt rated as a WR, but as a QB.
RS is another victim of Les Miles poor planning, foresight, and poor player development. Even if he did have some shortcomings at QB which is conceivable as a young player, why not get him some development from a quality coach, instead of the idiot Crowton who wouldn't even come down on the field to coach the players?
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Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:58 pm to Choctaw
quote:The argument is not what they accomplished, but what they didn't do with what they had. Why put yourself in that situation in the first place?
i could've sworn we just won the SEC and played in the NC.
the fact that LSU won as many games as they did with 2 very mediocre QBs is a testament to Miles and staff coaching ability
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:02 pm to MoreOrLes
The greatest recruiter in the country did it.
LOL .........
LOL .........
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:05 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
When RS came to LSU, he suddenly lost all of his abilities at QB, amazing. Bottom line he was given a raw deal, probably given promises that weren't kept (we will give you a shot at QB
UT'tards have said we lied to him about being a QB. He probably would have gone there, but they weren't sold on him as a college QB. In hindsight, either rs him and transition him to a new position or he should have gone some where else with an offense more suited to his style as a QB(Oregon, WVU under RichRod)
This post was edited on 1/12/12 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:11 pm to Choctaw
quote:Testament to a great defense and special teams.
the fact that LSU won as many games as they did with 2 very mediocre QBs is a testament to Miles and staff coaching ability
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:12 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Ever heard of Zach lee?
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:15 pm to Weaver
quote:Certainly contributed to the problems. Played LSU like a fiddle too. Enrolling was pure genius negotiation imo.
Ever heard of Zach lee?
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:15 pm to Frankie Knuckles
great post - the epitome of the downfall...... 
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:50 pm to myree
Les Miles is/was an offensive guard, number of recruited quarterbacks = 0.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:55 pm to tiger perry
quote:
Gary Crowton
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Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:57 pm to Frankie Knuckles
quote:
Why did we just ride this lame fricking rollercoaster for 4 years?
Both JJ and JL were obviously not SEC caliber QB's (each had their moments, but the body of work of both players is subpar to put it mildly).
This 4 year saga was sort of a microcosm of Monday night's game, we didnt do or try anything to change it, we just rode it out hoping it would somehow correct itself.
I truly believe Lee would've developed into a solid game manager similar to Mauck if not a little better if we would've stayed with him over JJ back in 08.
I know Lee had too many picks (to put it mildly), but we also moved the ball and scored pretty damn well. (see UGA 08 and others)
The defense was so bad, this team gave up. If Miles would've had his head out his arse and hired a good DC, then the pressure would've been off the offense and I have no doubt Lee would've developed much better. The kid had an arm and threw a great deep ball. He was balling in the first 8 games of this year.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:57 pm to ColeLSU
quote:
Lee and JJ were highly rated QB's.
Only Les thought JJ was SEC material.
JLee was very sought after on the other hand.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:58 pm to Frankie Knuckles
The "mess" you and lots of other negatigers have exits only in your mind and nowhere else. It's something to talk about.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:58 pm to Moustache
quote:
Only Les thought JJ was SEC material.
JLee was very sought after on the other hand.
Ignorant troll is ignorant.Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:00 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
The argument is not what they accomplished, but what they didn't do with what they had.
Are you a politician? That's some of the best double-talk I've seen outside of Washington.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
Seriously? You want us to buy into that BS. Close game or not NO EXCUSE for Saban on the ULM game. WOW!
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:03 pm to ColeLSU
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Lee and JJ were highly rated QB's. Just never panned out.
This is the reason i dont really believe in this star system....
A lot of times its no more than a glorified popularity contest......
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:11 pm to ulmtiger
quote:
Seriously? You want us to buy into that BS. Close game or not NO EXCUSE for Saban on the ULM game. WOW
OK, so there's no excuse, no reason, no possible set of circumstances or context for a 7-6 team losing to a 6-6 Sun Belt team. What do you think it means or proves?
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:15 pm to snake1
quote:
This is the reason i dont really believe in this star system....
A lot of times its no more than a glorified popularity contest
No, its just not an exact science. That's why you recruit depth, because there are some players that won't pan out. The recruiting of QB's from 2006-2010 was bad, looks like they have fixed it.
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