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Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:19 pm to J_Hingle
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The difference comes in when the coaches make little tweaks to already designed plays and also use different personnel. That's why you always hear, so and so is running his version of west coast system for example
yea didn't joe brady install the play that clyde caught the touchdown right before half at bama like the week of the game?
I imagine the wrinkles they throw in are so fluid, like week to week.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:20 pm to deaux
quote:I am not suggesting, I am saying that in most all modern offenses they are more flexible than ever before. They do have certain things they do that are part of their base, which is very similar based upon your philosophy: west coast, air raids, spreads, etc. They will attack defenses differently based upon desired match ups. I think OCs make their money now by how they manage down and distance, how they teach and coach line calls, etc. Not so much set play calls. We arent winning games based on magic play calls any more..not against the Bamas and UFs of the world anyway. Our success in 2019 was largely based off the ability of Clyde to create and our WRs and JB being on the exact same page based on the reads, then having mismatches all over the field in Moss, JJ and Chase.
...are you suggesting that modern offenses at the college and NFL level do not use use set plays?
I dont think a playbook is important in modern football.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:28 pm to BlackAngus
Honestly, he probably has a huge database of plays and an offensive philosophy that he favors.
He'll take a look at what talent he has, what they do well, what they don't do well, the level of complexity they can handle, and the defensive schemes across the league and build his season playbook based on that.
He'll take a look at what talent he has, what they do well, what they don't do well, the level of complexity they can handle, and the defensive schemes across the league and build his season playbook based on that.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:31 pm to jimbeam
Jesus, yall read what you want. If you think they open up a playbook and say, oh yeah. 21 smash vegas 8...yeah that will be the shite. They dont.
Of course they have formations and base plays, but if we are going to be successful, we better be teaching and calling at the line. That is highly fluid. This is a teaching job, not a play memorization job. Each OC attacks the field differently. If I was interviewing an OC, I wouldnt give a damn about the playbook. I would care about how he plans to utilize personell to attack each team on the schedule.
That playbook would be literally 1000s of options based on what the defense shows. Period. No one has that drawn out for every possible play run out of the formation. The game isnt taught that way any longer. If you have some teams still running power, yes...but that is a small percentage of plays even on the HS level.
Of course they have formations and base plays, but if we are going to be successful, we better be teaching and calling at the line. That is highly fluid. This is a teaching job, not a play memorization job. Each OC attacks the field differently. If I was interviewing an OC, I wouldnt give a damn about the playbook. I would care about how he plans to utilize personell to attack each team on the schedule.
That playbook would be literally 1000s of options based on what the defense shows. Period. No one has that drawn out for every possible play run out of the formation. The game isnt taught that way any longer. If you have some teams still running power, yes...but that is a small percentage of plays even on the HS level.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:32 pm to Nobelium
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They had Brady's playbook so why were they incredibly mediocre overall and absolutely horrendous on third down and in the red zone? Because they didn't have Brady.
Possibly because there was no spring practice, freshmen WRs, and Freshmen QBs.
Burrow spent all summer and spring practice with three/four WRs to get familiar with the plays.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:33 pm to BlackAngus
Ummmm
You gotta start from scratch just like anything with life
You gotta start from scratch just like anything with life
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:35 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Okay. We get in the huddle. What does the Qb say? Get open? Run around? Ima throw you the ball?
Not so much set play calls.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:35 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:This, and to be honest each game is different.
He'll take a look at what talent he has, what they do well, what they don't do well, the level of complexity they can handle, and the defensive schemes across the league and build his season playbook based on that.
My damn 11 year old is playing some 7 on 7 with some HS coaches coaching them. they are teaching many of the same defensive concepts as colleges run as far as coverages. These kids are soooooo much further advanced than their predecessors...hell I sit in on some of the film study and it is crazy how the defenses are called against these modern offenses. Seeing film of Alabama, LSU and other teams as well as really good spread HS teams is eye opening.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:40 pm to jimbeam
quote:If you want to be dense, just be dense. I dont give a shite. But if you dont understand that the offensive formation doesnt dictate the play as much as the defenses response to formations and motions. And formations are not plays. Hell with RPO, we dont even know if it will be a run or a pass play until the ball is snapped. And from their every receiver has mutiple options based on formations. These are not in a play book. They are taught based on hours and hours of film study, prep, opponent, available personnel...not some binder brought in to an interview.
Okay. We get in the huddle. What does the Qb say? Get open? Run around? Ima throw you the ball?
I would bet that it isnt something that is brought up. I do bet that hours of film is put up and the OC describes how he would want to attack it, and what game planning would look like.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:42 pm to Gus007
quote:Because a playbook means little now a days. Just having plays is an afterthought.
They had Brady's playbook so why were they incredibly mediocre overall and absolutely horrendous on third down and in the red zone? Because they didn't have Brady.
quote:This, learning where to attack is the deal. And you dont know that until the ball is snapped. Everyone must be on the same page. There are no magic plays.
Possibly because there was no spring practice, freshmen WRs, and Freshmen QBs.
Burrow spent all summer and spring practice with three/four WRs to get familiar with the plays.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:42 pm to tigerfoot
quote:The play is an RPO
Hell with RPO we dont even know if it will be a run or a pass play until the ball is snapped
quote:And the WR and QB know the options are (per the called play) and what dictates and the OL know whether it’s 3 step or 5 step
And from their every receiver has mutiple options based on formations.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:42 pm to Nobelium
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Because they didn't have Brady.
Because they didn't have the 2019 personnel.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:44 pm to Choupiqueboy
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Derrick Poontangsky, naturellement!!!
Clam down, boomer
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:49 pm to jimbeam
quote:95% of OCs have RPOs in their repertoire....HOW they run them and when they run them and how they block them is all decided and taught based upon the defensive. Gap, inside z, outside z all are things that COULD be done on any given RPO blocking scheme. That is not the same week to week, or play to play. That is not in a playbook that you made up in 2016 and brought to the interview.
The play is an RPO
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:57 pm to BlackAngus
I have a playbook and only coached 10u. I’m sure he’ll be fine.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:01 pm to BlackAngus
How does any OC build a scheme? The same way everyone else does. It's not like this is his first coaching position.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:08 pm to tigerfoot
Literally everything you're describing is, in fact, a playbook.
Just curious, have you ever seen a college level playbook? It's filled with "If/Then" scenarios, how to block the same play against every front imaginable, coverage checks/adjustments, blocking checks/adjustments, RPO reads, pre-snap and post-snap reads, etc.
I 100% understand everything you are saying as far as playcalling, but if you think coaches don't have a set "playbook" to teach their players the scheme and philosophy, then we'll just agree to disagree. Almost all college playbooks have weekly inserts and adjustments for that week's opponent, which will vary year to year. LSU and I'm sure most major schools now, use iPads to share their digital "playbook" with the team. Those are extremely nice, BTW.
Just curious, have you ever seen a college level playbook? It's filled with "If/Then" scenarios, how to block the same play against every front imaginable, coverage checks/adjustments, blocking checks/adjustments, RPO reads, pre-snap and post-snap reads, etc.
I 100% understand everything you are saying as far as playcalling, but if you think coaches don't have a set "playbook" to teach their players the scheme and philosophy, then we'll just agree to disagree. Almost all college playbooks have weekly inserts and adjustments for that week's opponent, which will vary year to year. LSU and I'm sure most major schools now, use iPads to share their digital "playbook" with the team. Those are extremely nice, BTW.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:10 pm to BlackAngus
No playbook. Just gonna wing it.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:16 pm to sportsfan
quote:Tell me about all the blocking assignments change in our zone scheme.
how to block the same play against every front imaginable, coverage checks/adjustments, blocking checks/adjustments,
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