re: How do we know Miles is calling plays and Crowton isn't?

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So your "never" is a big fat lie!

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liar liar pants on fire

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Hey Slow, how would you describe Miles' offenses at OSU?

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lots of i form and lots of running

they did pass it a lot, but the big12 has never really defended the pass. when they made the change from all option, the teams just didn't really adapt to pass defense

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Miles stresses balance, not "up the gut old school Big 10."

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since miles has taken over we have moved much more towards this offense as our backbone

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The Saints run the i and 2 TE more than most teams in the NFL

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and yet Payton still finds ways to attack downfield out of those formations.

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we don't attack downfield much out of those formations except for the occasional play action

the saints are usually in 3 Wide, but now with shockey we have gone more to 1 TE with 2 WR (shockey is essentially a big WR. he's never been a good blocker)

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Even if Miles is stressing max protect formations,

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this is more about running plays, not passing plays

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"The Wizard" should still be able to get Dickson, KW, LaFell, TT, Shep etc involved and not be as predictable and ineffective on offense as he has been

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well here is my observation of crowton, post-BYU

he likes to install the "new" thing on offense before he fully understands it

case in point this year: our no-huddle, look to the sidelines philosophy

UM didn't throw the ball nearly like you describe for example, 1990: 122 attempts by their #1 passer

i'm trying to find a database of UM stats. their athletic site goes back to like 97 as far as i can tell

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How do we know Miles is calling plays and Crowton isn't?

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We don't, because he doesn't.

At least according to Chris Landry.

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UM didn't throw the ball nearly like you describe for example, 1990: 122 attempts by their #1 passer

i'm trying to find a database of UM stats. their athletic site goes back to like 97 as far as i can tell

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Well, I didn't describe anything about the number of pass attempts. I said Miles prefers balance, and isn't a "big 10 pound the middle" guy like you claim. Not sure where you got those numbers for Michigan's "#1 quarterback" in 1990, but I'd bet they may have had another QB with a significant # of attempts as well. You're making it sound like they only threw it 122 times in 90 and that's misleading.

Elvis Grbac a Michigan QB from 89 to 92 and had 835 career attempts and he split time due to injuries. In 1993 Todd Collins had 296 attempts, so they threw the ball quite a bit. Balance is Miles' background, not 3 yards and a cloud of dust like you try to portray. He was a part of an offensive staff that had one of the most explosive playmakers in CFB history in Howard.

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they did pass it a lot, but the big12 has never really defended the pass. when they made the change from all option, the teams just didn't really adapt to pass defense

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This is actually a really good point. How teams defend an O has a lot to do with how an offense can operate obviously. But remember, Crowton has never called his system against athletic and complex defense like he's seeing in the SEC while he was at Tech, BYU, or Oregon. None of those conferences are historically tough on D or against the pass specifically. I think he's actually having a lot of trouble adapting. He is clearly not comfortable and has appeared shell shocked since last year.


And laugh all you want but the Saints use a fullback and protect formations in all kinds of plays. And you can "max protect" for running plays too. It doesn't just apply to passing plays.

Again, if we went 2 TE and i form, we could have Dickson, Peterson, LaFell or Tolliver, and Scott and Williams on the field. You telling me Crowton can't come up with a creative way to use those playmakers? Again, get off of your formation obsession. Its the plays and lack of creativity out of those formations that is killing us.

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well here is my observation of crowton, post-BYU

he likes to install the "new" thing on offense before he fully understands it

case in point this year: our no-huddle, look to the sidelines philosophy

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I totally agree with this.

Man you hit that one out of the park. it's about time someone on here stopped giving excuses for lm and face up. If anyone has ever see crowton's offense at other schools he has been to , you know thet is not his play calling.