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Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:14 am to c on z
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but I do not remember us ever having a deep team under him.
Every year, it seems as if there is no more than 11 or so scholarship players on the team.
lester earl...
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:15 am to c on z
I think the biggest reason for our most recent success is Collis Temple. He steered all of those guys from his AAU teams to LSU. Brady still had to coach them, no doubt. However, if you look at the really good players we've had recently, you'll be hard pressed to find one that lived too far away from Baton Rouge. Randolph and Stromile are the biggest ones that comes to mind, and they're from Dallas and Shreveport, respectively.
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 9:20 am
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:15 am to lsutigerfan66
i havent even seem a game this year, whats our problem?
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:16 am to I-59 Tiger
Remember sitting in the Maravich Center in the '85 NCAA run.
THe program has fallen big time and I wonder if the "development"/do not sign one and done players even gets close to working in today's environment.
No reason a basketball program can not turn around in as little time as a football program - NONE. OFHC, Bo P, AU, etc all proved it can be done in 2 years.
While attempting to not be overly critical, I did have a recent conversation with someone that has association with the Pros. He thought Trent may not be as great as we think. "For 1.2 million, the guy should be winning games now" and he laughed about Van ("the guy is even late for practice").
Let's see how this year and next year turn out under TJ before we pass final judgment. Van simply needs to go.
THe program has fallen big time and I wonder if the "development"/do not sign one and done players even gets close to working in today's environment.
No reason a basketball program can not turn around in as little time as a football program - NONE. OFHC, Bo P, AU, etc all proved it can be done in 2 years.
While attempting to not be overly critical, I did have a recent conversation with someone that has association with the Pros. He thought Trent may not be as great as we think. "For 1.2 million, the guy should be winning games now" and he laughed about Van ("the guy is even late for practice").
Let's see how this year and next year turn out under TJ before we pass final judgment. Van simply needs to go.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:18 am to lsutigerfan66
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How did we get to this point with the basketball program????
Crowton
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:22 am to Bandits
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And TJ is not bringing it back anytime soon unfortunately. I wish we would invest in the program and get a good coach.
Invest? You kidding me??? Have you even been on campus this year? There's this new thing attached to the pmac you might wanna look into.
Also, TJ was coach of the year for two different leagues. That's a pretty good investment IMO.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:27 am to Mickey Goldmill
Crowton was OC of the year with Jimbo's QB too .....
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:28 am to Mickey Goldmill
well it is basketball. it's not that hard to build a successful basketball team.
in fact, a lights out shooter at the 2 on this team would make all the difference.
still, we should never lose to state schools.
in fact, a lights out shooter at the 2 on this team would make all the difference.
still, we should never lose to state schools.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:30 am to jrich11
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in fact, a lights out shooter at the 2 on this team would make all the difference.
We do have Turner.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:37 am to medtiger
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However, if you look at the really good players we've had recently, you'll be hard pressed to find one that lived too far away from Baton Rouge.
Brady recruited well and had players that were from other places than BR. Brady had problems keeping players around. Tack Minor was from Houston, Magnum Rolle, Jaime Lloreda and Regis Koundjia were from other countries and Ross Neltner was from Kentucky.
We did have a good run of local talent with Bass, Tyrus, Big Baby, G. Temple, D.J. Augustine and Greg Monroe. We haven't had that recently and our program has suffered because of it.
This is a bad team, no matter how you slice it. I would like to see Trent Johnson bring in better players, but I'm going to give him a chance, but we better have a damn strong team by 2012 or I'll be severly disappointed.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:37 am to lsutigerfan66
I liked Brady when he was here and he did some great things for our program. He was blessed with some of the best local talent BR has ever produced, but he was also able to go out of state and supplement the local talent with some big names from around the country.
I did think it was time for him to go when he did. With the talent he had, he should have done more IMO.
Brady left Trent with a team full of good upperclassmen, but not much behind them. He won the SEC his first year and with his refusal to take one-and-done players or JUCO guys we have sucked the last two years.
I question some of his signings, although LA has been terrible the last few years in terms of recruits. His seat will be very warm at the end of next year if we don't drastically improve.
The new practice facility should help with some recruits, and LA has some great ones coming up in the next few years. I just hope some of our sholarship drains don't prevent us from signing some big-time players.
I did think it was time for him to go when he did. With the talent he had, he should have done more IMO.
Brady left Trent with a team full of good upperclassmen, but not much behind them. He won the SEC his first year and with his refusal to take one-and-done players or JUCO guys we have sucked the last two years.
I question some of his signings, although LA has been terrible the last few years in terms of recruits. His seat will be very warm at the end of next year if we don't drastically improve.
The new practice facility should help with some recruits, and LA has some great ones coming up in the next few years. I just hope some of our sholarship drains don't prevent us from signing some big-time players.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:39 am to c on z
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We do have Turner.
is he any good? we had a 2 guard out of high school last year who was suppose to be a great shooter too. that was a miss.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:42 am to Mickey Goldmill
That investment was to help the local economy. Someone made a donation that had to be used for that purpose and it was partly because of the success of the women's bball team. TJ is not a good hire at this point.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:51 am to c on z
Okay, I'll bite:
So, basically.... one quality player (Randolph) in Brady's entire tenure (though I guess you could count Stromile, as well...) that Collis Temple didn't hand deliver to LSU.
Pretty damn impressive recruiting, if you ask me.
Did the guy not have a car? Did he have to take the bus to recruit around BR?
I notice you glossed over the stellar recruiting years of Brian Beshara, Brad Bridgewater, JuMichael Young and Xavier Whipple.
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2003
Brandon Bass - NBA player... from Baton Rouge
Regis Koundjia - Brady ran him off
Tack Minor - Brady ran him off
Darnell Lazare - D-League player ...from Baton Rouge
Ross Neltner - Brady ran him off
2004
Glen Davis - NBA player... from Baton Rouge
Tyrus Thomas - NBA player... from Baton Rouge
Garret Temple - D-League player ...from Baton Rouge
2005
Tasmin Mitchell - D-League player ...from Baton Rouge
Chris Johnson - D-League player
Magnum Rolle - D-League player ...Brady ran him off
2006
Terry Martin - not SEC caliber
2007
Anthony Randolph - non BR NBA player - WOW
Marcus Thornton - NBA player ...from Baton Rouge
Bo Spencer - okay player, bad head
Garret Green - good kid, not SEC caliber
2008
Jmison Morgan - who?
Dennis Harris - not SEC caliber
So, basically.... one quality player (Randolph) in Brady's entire tenure (though I guess you could count Stromile, as well...) that Collis Temple didn't hand deliver to LSU.
Pretty damn impressive recruiting, if you ask me.
Did the guy not have a car? Did he have to take the bus to recruit around BR?
I notice you glossed over the stellar recruiting years of Brian Beshara, Brad Bridgewater, JuMichael Young and Xavier Whipple.
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:55 am to Sheep
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Chris Johnson - D-League player ...from Baton Rouge
Magnum Rolle - D-League player ...from Baton Rouge
Chris was from D.C.
Magnum was from the Bahamas.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:59 am to Bandits
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That investment was to help the local economy. Someone made a donation that had to be used for that purpose and it was partly because of the success of the women's bball team. TJ is not a good hire at this point.
A practice gym had been in the works for years. Building one damn building is never to "boost the local economy". Trent Johnson has said from the beginning he intends to build a program here where we are consistent every year unlike the Brady years when we were all over the map.
With the players Brady left us that sorta thing takes time. If you have a bunch of upperclassman like TJ did its gonna take a couple years to really get things going. I see us getting better every year starting this season.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 10:02 am to Sheep
Casually left out bright, Dupree, Roland, lloreda? The man could recruit. I guess by your standards you must be able to only recruit nationally because recruiting your backyard doesn't prove anything.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 10:07 am to Bandits
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And TJ is not bringing it back anytime soon unfortunately. I wish we would invest in the program and get a good coach.
So who is a good coach that we could get?
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/21/10 at 10:08 am to c on z
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Chris was from D.C.
Magnum was from the Bahamas.
Whoops... I was copy / pasting...
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