re: How Did LSU Football Become an Afterthought

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1.) our strong defense became soft as a pillow in 08 after pelini left

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I saw some good things out of the D in 2009. They were probably the only reason we didn't finish 7-5 or worse. That said, when comparing 2010 to 2009, DL and DBs should be better and LBs should be worse. But Francois and Baker are decent players, so after the first few games, they should be solid, though not as good as Coleman and Riley.

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2.) all opposing teams have to do it get through the first half in the game and Tiger Stadium will start to empty. DOnt believe go watch the ARkansas ame from last year.

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This is too true. Most times they don't even need to get through the first half. Unless it's Alabama or Florida, fans are just bodies in the water and if they get up on the team early, you could hear a pin drop in the stadium.

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3.)Saturday night win streak, ended. OOC win streak, ended. win streak vs top 10 teams, ended.

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annual first-round draft streak...

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4.)Alabama emerged in the west and started kicking butt and we stopped. If we had both kept winning we would have shared the lime light with them, but they took it and earned it all for themselves.

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While not debating that Alabama has improved significantly, we've gone toe-to-toe with them every year. And I have said this and will continue to say it. Saban really did come into Alabama at exactly the right time. LSU on the downturn, Auburn on the downturn, Tennessee on the downturn, Florida not a regular opponent...

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5.)Saturday night in Tiger STadium is now a rare and uncommon thing unless we r playing Ulala.

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Truth.
It absolutely kills the atmosphere and the Tiger Stadium mystique. I don't know why networks make us play in the afternoon slot when the games are clearly more entertaining at night... larger TV audience and shite I guess, but the game is 100x more exciting if they don't do that shite.

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Alabama killed Arkansas, we skated by them in OT. Bama killed Ole Miss, when we crapped out. Bama blasted Moo St, we got a heart filled and maybe a little bit of luck in a goal line stand. I agree weve gone toe to toe with them, but we could beat them every year and still lose to these other teams they handle with ease, and they still are top dogs and look better in pollsters eyes.

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I think Bama got a wee bit of help though. Look at the teams you mentioned and consider who got hot at the end of the year and who fizzled out, and compare when we played them.

Auburn - started hot, fizzled out (LSU - Wk 8; ALA - Wk 13)
Miss St - started hot, fizzled out (LSU - Wk 4; ALA - Wk 11)
Ole Miss - was painfully average all year
Ark - started cold, got hot (ALA - Wk 4; LSU - Wk 13)

Not saying it's an excuse, but it's a variable. Mention Florida to make your point. They were pretty weak to start the year and strong in the end.

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I think something more embarrasing than the Ole Miss clock situation is on the horizon

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Even before the season started, you expect to be miserable. You don't have to be classified as 'negatiger'. You are doing enough damage to yourself.

With all the changes that happened in the league, if you still expect the team to perform worse than last year, you certainly have no faith in the team's management.

That said, you should expect to have a great fall. The team may do better than you expect. How can you be mad when the team does no worse than you expect. Enjoy. If you still come here wringing you hands after poor performance expected by you, you can then classify yourself - a negatiger.

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If Perrilloux doesn't screw up, we're not having this conversation.
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If Miles had more discipline of the team this doesn't become a problem.

Halleluejia............lack of dispcipline turns great teams into mediocre! Welcome to mediocrity Tiger fans........no discipline will equal more losses than we need under Lesticle leadership........I am not a "nega-tiger", only one who speaks to what he see's!!

I like Les Miles and think we're gonna have a good year and am hopeful it will be a great year. But before you call me a "head-in-the-sand-" sunshine-pumping, Les-loving, posi-tiger, let me first address a few things. First, zero people are predicting us to win the NC. There are a few very hopeful ones who think we might compete for it, but no one is predicting it. No one. Also, no one thinks Les Miles is perfect. No one. Nada. Zero people. Zilch. No one thinks there are not things within the team and program that need to be improved or corrected. Again, zero. No one. And very few(if any) even think Les Miles is a better football coach than Nick Saban. So you can waste your breaths and accuse us of things we don't believe, and call us these mythical things that don't exist, andd build up this ridiculously tall straw man and pat yourselves on the back when you "tear them down." Knock yourselves out.


And I won't even respond to some of the retardedly stupid posts that have replied to the original post. I want to address how motherfricking stupid that original post is. Besides the fact that just about all of our SEC games last year were nationally televised, that we got invited--not automatically qualified for, but INVITED--to the most prestigious non-BCS bowl in the nation last year, that our spring game was one of only about 3-4 that were nationally televised by ESPN just a month ago, that we were invited to open up the season on national t.v. this year, that we will have 3 out-of-conference games nationally televised, along with likely 7 of our 8 SEC games, etc...Besides all that that proves you are just butt-frick stupid. I am calling you out straight up for not just having the balls to start what this thread really is--another stupid fricking "I hate Miles" thread in a long list of stupid fricking "I hate Miles" threads. At least have the sack to man up and say what you really want to say instead of hiding behind this retardedly thinly veiled(and logically unsound) topic like a fricking count.

Strong post

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If Miles had more discipline of the team this doesn't become a problem.

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omfg. Another dumb frick thinks this?

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It's true though. If Les had been holding RP's hand 24/7 like he should have RP would have never got into a fight at the Varsity. RP would NEVER had even considered taking drugs.

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Exactly. MILES is responsible for T-Bob getting drunk and slamming into a parked car! How dare he leave the campus to go on the recruiting trail! He has responsibilities to the players on the team to keep them in line!

someone mentioned no significant discipline problems outside of RP.

There have actually been quite a few, although on the field discipline is just as concerning if not moreso.

These come to mind...

TE Anderson- fighting
DB Giddens- breaking Barksdales jaw
WR Toliver- fighting at Freds
C Hebert- DWI

Just a few i can recall and this does not include other players and problems with illegal substance use etc. All in all pretty typical for a college program.

More critical are on the field issues (Tyson Jackson going ape shite bananas at UK, Alem kicking ball at Arky, numerous, numerous off sides, false starts, in neutral zone flags) that directly and indirectly led to losses.

Miles is too soft on these issues IMO. Players don't seem to respect him enough and there haven't been harsh enough consequences for lack of discipline.

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Miles is too soft on these issues IMO. Players don't seem to respect him enough and there haven't been harsh enough consequences for lack of discipline.

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As if you would know.

Kicking our starting QB off the team is soft to you?

Do you even think b 4 you type or just throw crap out?