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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag

Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:14 am to
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:14 am to
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They have no experience so it's almost impossible for them to grasp the philosophy of the rules. Add a bunch of ignorant announcers into the mix and it's no wonder fans get confused.


My favorite is "even the announcers commented on it..."
Posted by WushuTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
7641 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:15 am to
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how many times do I have to say this in how many different ways?

He's Arrakis. He never understands logic, just tie a carrot to a stick and let him go off his own way.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:15 am to
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He CANT make the motion and immediately snap the ball...how many times do I have to say this in how many different ways?


Since you've passed the HS test and have such superior knowledge of the NCAA rule book, do you have an A.R. that substantiates your claim?
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:17 am to
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My favorite is "even the announcers commented on it..."


I know...

Like the announcer in the Bama game. LOS is the 15. DPI in the EZ. Announcer says "That's half the distance to the goal line". I thought I would spit out my diet coke laughing.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:22 am to
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Since you've passed the HS test and have such superior knowledge of the NCAA rule book, do you have an A.R. that substantiates your claim?


Jesus, you are pathetic. I'm guessing your "expert status" and "superior knowledge" of the rules allows you to offer your commentary on how the move was not illegal. How's that for putting words in your mouth.

I've passed the test, I can read an NCAA rule book. The move is illegal. Meyer used the "exception to the cadence" to an extreme and the officials bought it. End of story.

Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:22 am to
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or dipping his shoulders or buttocks [S19].


He did that as well and wasn't flagged for it. My only complaint from last night regarding the refs.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:22 am to
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Like the announcer in the Bama game. LOS is the 15. DPI in the EZ. Announcer says "That's half the distance to the goal line". I thought I would spit out my diet coke laughing.


Well, it used to be - he just didn't get the memo.

Kinda like Greg Bowser on the replay of some game last year - whoever LSU was playing got flagged for intentionl grounding late in the game and he was explaining how it was going to be a 10 second runoff and then he couldn't figure out why the clock wasn't run out.

Oh and Spencer Tillman explained to me that if the runner places the ball on the ground while maintaining posession, that it becomes dead at that point.
Posted by 62zip
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Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:25 am to
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The move is illegal. Meyer used the "exception to the cadence" to an extreme and the officials bought it. End of story.


So, if it was "bought" then why wasn't LSU flagged in the thrid quarter for offside when the snapper got blown up? I'm not sure I follow.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:29 am to
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Jesus, you are pathetic. I'm guessing your "expert status" and "superior knowledge" of the rules allows you to offer your commentary on how the move was not illegal. How's that for putting words in your mouth.


Sonny Boy, my first year officiating was '74 so it's a safe bet I was officiating before you were even born. I've forgotten more about the rules than you'll ever learn.
Now, run along and study some more....you certainly need to.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:31 am to
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So, if it was "bought" then why wasn't LSU flagged in the thrid quarter for offside when the snapper got blown up? I'm not sure I follow


Because the snapper was abusing the stretch of the rule, miles bitched enough,

While I haven't officiated any sport at the collegiate level, I know when a coach talks to me in pregame about a player motion, movement, etc that might appear to be illegal but the intent is otherwise...I'm naturally going to be more lenient.

The center is still supposed to move to a set position for a full second before snapping the ball. He did not.
Posted by 62zip
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Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:35 am to
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While I haven't officiated any sport at the collegiate level, I know when a coach talks to me in pregame about a player motion, movement, etc that might appear to be illegal but the intent is otherwise...I'm naturally going to be more lenient.

The center is still supposed to move to a set position for a full second before snapping the ball. He did not.


So, you call in Baton Rouge?

"The center is supposed to move to a 'set position for a full second'"? Could I get a cite on that please?
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:35 am to
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The center is still supposed to move to a set position for a full second before snapping the ball. He did not.


This is getting better and better. You sure about that Sport?
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:36 am to
Well, he was just talking about "his pregame."

I'm really hoping that he's not in my association.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:37 am to
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I've forgotten more about the rules


Apparently so:

Another repost for clarification...

quote:

Shifts and False Starts
ARTICLE 4. a. If a snap is preceded by a huddle or shift, all players of the
offensive team must come to an absolute stop and remain stationary in their
positions, without movement of the feet, body, head or arms, for at least one
full second before the ball is snapped
(A.R. 7-1-4-I) [S20].
b. It is not intended that Rule 7-1-4-a should prohibit smooth, rhythmical
shifts if properly executed. A smooth cadence shift or unhurried motion
is not an infraction. However, it is the responsibility of an offensive
player who moves before the snap to do so in a manner that in no way
simulates the beginning of a play. After the ball is ready for play and
all players are in scrimmage formation, no offensive player shall make
a quick, jerky movement before the snap, including but not limited to
(A.R. 7-1-4-II-IV):
1. A lineman moving his foot, shoulder, arm, body or head in a quick,
jerky motion in any direction [S19].
2. The snapper shifting or moving the ball or moving his thumb or
fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders
or buttocks [S19].

3. The quarterback “chucking’’ his hands at the snapper, flexing his
elbows under the snapper, jerking his head or dropping his shoulders
quickly just before the snap [S19].
4. A player, before the snap, simulating receiving the ball by “chucking’’
his hands toward the snapper or quarterback or making any quick,
jerky movement that simulates the beginning of a play [S19].
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 12:39 am
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:38 am to
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So, you call in Baton Rouge?


No, I don't officiate football. I don't have time.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:39 am to
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Well, he was just talking about "his pregame."

I'm really hoping that he's not in my association.


I'm not talking about football in that scenario.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37584 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:40 am to
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He's Arrakis. He never understands logic, just tie a carrot to a stick and let him go off his own way.

Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:40 am to
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Well, he was just talking about "his pregame."

I'm really hoping that he's not in my association.


If he is...prayers sent
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:40 am to
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No, I don't officiate football. I don't have time.


I'm confused - you just posted about when you talk to a coach in your pregame conference, but you don't call football? I'm not following.

Where did you take the NFHS football test?
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:42 am to
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2. The snapper shifting or moving the ball or moving his thumb or fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders
or buttocks

Another example of you having no clue what the rule addresses. Not a clue. It's what happens when someone grabs a rule book and *thinks* they know.
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