re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag

Hey Zip....after reading this:

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Lets break it down: - UF broke a huddle - The center is a member of the "offensive team" - Center makes what you have deemed a legal motion with his head, however, does not remain stationary for one full second before the ball is snapped. - Penalty (S20): Illegal motion.

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You've got your work cut out for you.....Prayers sent.

Good luck with the playoffs this year and hoping you get a Dome assignment.

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So either the move was illegal the whole game but was incorrectly NOT called in the first and second quarters or the move was legal and was incorrectly called in the third quarter.

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As a fan, I would like the answer to your question.

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This seems like a very simple exercise in logic and I just don't understand how this has gone so long without being answered. Will you please answer it?

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Sure. In a nutshell, the answer is yes and no - I'm not trying to be a smartass, bear with me here.

Something like the center was doing can be legal, or it can be illegal and I know people will want to argue with it, but the status will depend on the situation.

If he is doing it every time he goes to the line, then he is not simulating a snap (though one could argue that he is telegraphing it, which IMO would be advantage defense), however if you have a good defensive coach who puts a noseguard head up on him who blows him up when he does it - then in that case, guess what - that action DID simulate a snap.

That's why I used the example earlier of a team that regularly employs shifts versus a team that comes out there and does some weird shift only in a short yardage situation in an attempt to draw the defense off.

It's not a difficult concept, but people generally lose all sense of reasonableness whenever LSU is involved - kinda like the idiot who was beside himself because "the officials fricked up and moved the ball to the 20 for Mississippi State whe LSU missed a field goal from the 5."

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So, a Dlineman has to "be drawn over" for it to be a false start. Is there a time when the ref will call it without contact from the defense?

I am not trying to be obtuse, but if it was up to the defense, why not jump across whenever the center jerks around?

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Again it depends on the circumstances. If an OL lifts a hand, or a foot or rocks back or something like that - it's going to be automatic.

Have you ever seena center in a shotgun who looks down between his legs at the QB and then looks back up prior to snapping the ball? That's not going to draw a flag, but let's say he never looks up prior to the snap, but then all of a sudden they find themselves in say a 3rd and 2 and picks then the lift his head up and jerks it up in such a way that he simulates the snap - that's going to draw a false start flag.

What does the rule book say about the OL lining up in the backfield. The left side of UF's line was clearly not lined up on the LOS for virtually every play from scrimmage. That gave their L tackle a great advantage over our best pass rusher.

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It's not a difficult concept, but people generally lose all sense of reasonableness whenever LSU is involved

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I've said I'd discuss this if LSU was not in the game...those missed calls or whatever were not the reason we lost...

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kinda like the idiot who was beside himself because "the officials fricked up and moved the ball to the 20 for Mississippi State whe LSU missed a field goal from the 5."

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Hey now, you might think I'm messed up on this discussion...but I DEFINITELY know that...

tigercavor, do you have a replay of the game? If you do, you can check out that their left side lined up in the backfield on virtually every down from scrimmage. I thought they should have called it several times until UF adjusted, just like we had to adjust to lining up in the neutral zone.

According to post game comments, only once did the D line jump offside. The other calls were all for lining up offside. Les brought attention to the center moving his head to the officials so that when his guys would react again it would be called. That's what Downs did and it was called. Lining up offside had nothing to do with their center.

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Whining about calls is reserved for UGA fans...

LSU got their arse kicked by a "one-armed" team, not "one-eyed" officials.

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Agree with the whining comment but from the vantage point I had(right behind the Florida bench) it was apparent they were firing their best shots at LSU. Tebow was Tebow, and the Tiger defense was the best they've played this year according to UM in post-game. I can tell you they really miss Harvin and Murphy from last year's team. No one has stepped up for them on the outside but they are still incredibly good.