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re: Here is what the "Wizard" Gary Crowton has done at LSU

Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:06 am to
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:06 am to
here is some more stats to complete the picture:
2009 through 10 games - 8-2 record
Sacks 27 for -193yrds
INTs 5 for 31 yards, 6.2yd per INT return AVG

2008 - 8-5 record
Sacks 22 for -185 yards
INTs 18 for 461 yards, 26.5yd per INT return AVG

2007 - 12-2 record
Sacks 30 for -209yds
INTs 13 for 137yards, 10.5yd per INT return AVG

Sacks cause punts, INTS get you beat. In 2008 18 INTs were returned for a 26.5 yd avg per INT. So not only did LSU turn the ball over, we flipped the field position and put our mediocre defense in terrible positions. Not to mention the 7 INTs returned for TDs
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:06 am to



Crowton...not many you get to see him, since he's up in the box.
Posted by casansin
Member since Jul 2009
443 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:07 am to
The only numbers I care about are that we are ranked 8th nationally have two loses against the number one and two ranked teams and will probably go to a major bowl. So what's all the bitchin about the yardage. W's are what matters.
Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
7072 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:13 am to
It's been a combination of things. One play it the OL, the next something else.
I finally so a little light against bama. JJ looked good and the OL was going a good job. But, then a stupid penalty would kill us.

Regardless, I think Crowton's done a terrible job this year. Almost on par with the clusterfk that was our two headed DC last year. The offense often times looks confused out there, much like the D last year.
The rest of the year will get interesting. IMO, next week our O is going to get it's arse handed to it. ole miss's front 7 is going to give this OL fits. Then the hit will be turned up on the OC even more.

The biggest problem will be that I don't think Miles will make a change at OC. So unless Crowton changes his philosophy, we'll be looking at this O again next year. Although with JJ and soe of the young OL having more experience, maybe it gets better.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:17 am to
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Oregon Before Crowton as OC
2004 5-6 (W-L)
37th ranked 397.00 YPG
55th ranked 25.64 PPG

QB Kellen Clemens as a JR

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Oregon With Crowton as OC
2005 10-1 (W-L)
18th ranked: 438.83 YPG
12th ranked: 37.64 PPG

QB Kellen Clemens SR, got hurt and Soph Dennis Dixon and Soph Brady Leaf played final 5 games (4-1 record)
Clemens was a 2nd round draft pick

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2006 7-6 (W-L)
9th ranked: 422.85 YPG
25th ranked: 29.46 PPG

QB Dixon as a Junior, Leaf as a Junior
UO goes 4-0 then Dixon stunk it up at Cal, got benched and Leaf replaced him

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Oregon After Crowton as OC
2007 9-4 (W-L)
10th ranked: 467.54 YPG
12th ranked: 38.15 PPG

QB Dennis Dixon Senior
Posted by TigahRag
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Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:19 am to
now look at his resume for an ever more noticeable trend ... his third season everywhere is a drop off in productivity ..
Posted by bcwarb
Member since Jun 2008
639 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:33 am to
The guy from BYU that posted that article like Nostradamus should tell all. He basically stated this exactly. A new OC would spark the team next year and could possibly help recruiting next year and everyone knows what an opportunity we have for next year in recruiting. I am ready for some change and for some new offense excitement.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465465 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:34 am to
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The only numbers I care about are that we are ranked 8th nationally have two loses against the number one and two ranked teams and will probably go to a major bowl. So what's all the bitchin about the yardage. W's are what matters.

i'd hope that we have 2 losses after playing 2 great teams and nobody else
Posted by Dalai Lama
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2006
2033 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:45 am to
SPPEDY, you are being plagiarized. I just recieved your original post in the form of an email. No credit to SPEEDY.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:47 am to
so basically crowton has to have a new offense or Sr. QB to have an effective offense?
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:48 am to
Pretty much.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465465 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:52 am to
so very tepper'ish
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:54 am to
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so basically crowton has to have a new offense or Sr. QB to have an effective offense?



I had to pass algebra I and algebra II before they let me take calculus

not too many offenses are geared towards inexperienced QBs coming straight in and lighting shite up. Especially in the South with our preponderance of HSs with "athlete" type QBs that just run around and use their legs and thrive on broken plays.

Someone will come into this thread and say matt barkley and i will say "started 4 years in high school in a sophisticated pro style offense"

destrehan didnt run a sophisticated pro style offense, JJ has learned how to play QB from scratch from day one at LSU, don't kid yourself.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:56 am to
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so very tepper'ish


yes because drop linebacker is the quarterback of the defense everywhere in the known universe

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:58 am to
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destrehan didnt run a sophisticated pro style offense

crowton doesn't run a sophisticated pro style offense
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:05 am to
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crowton doesn't run a sophisticated pro style offense


with JJ now? at Oregon with Dixon/Clemens? in 2007 with Flynn? Don't get hung up on the words "pro style" and go off in a SFP tangent on silly details. Try to keep your focus here on what JJ came from (algebra I at Destrahan) and what he is being asked to do now (calculus on Top 10 teamin the toughest conference in the country).

So you can't have it both ways, either Crowton does too much and the scheme is over the personnel's head or he doesn't do enough and the scheme is too simple because of his lack of confidence in his personnel's ability to execute. Which is it?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:08 am to
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with JJ now?

still mostly spread and option, with some i-form up the gut miles ball

our offense is mostly run out of the shotgun

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So you can't have it both ways, either Crowton does too much and the scheme is over the personnel's head or he doesn't do enough and the scheme is too simple because of his lack of confidence in his personnel's ability to execute.

he has simple schemes

his problem is he has no rhythm to his playcalling, and a lot of that is based in the fact that he tries to include too many differing systems, many of which he can't scheme/coach/call

he's a disaster on anything to do with the option, other than 1 play we ran against UF in 2007

and that's the other problem that leads to him not having any rhythm. he tries to include so many styles, he gets away from what is working and doesn't go back to it

case in point: that play from 2007 that we never saw again

also the fact that he's so bad at the option, that we can't even run a wildcat, which is a simple play
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:10 am to
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Anyone else noticing a trend?


the truth...we went from a great offensive line to a good offensive line to and average offensive line in three years. fix that...and everything else returns to full speed ahead.
Posted by Hiyoka
Tokyo
Member since Oct 2008
1726 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:21 am to
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Oh, yeah, and I almost forgot. Apparently T-Bob Hebert and Josh Dworaczyk are the worst O-linemen in the history of CFB, and are totally responsible for the dropoff in rushing yards this season.


Nobody is worse than Brandon Smalling. I will never forget that guy getting totally bulldozed on a fg or extra point in that 31-0 bama beating. Pathetic.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:51 am to
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Crowton gets one more year. If the offense is just as poor and doest show that it's turned aroung then he' let go.


100% agree, UNLESS coach miles has discovered that crowton's weaknesses ARE the significant reasons for our production. then, we need to move on sooner. it could be our other offensive coaches that are the problem.
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