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re: Herb Tyler versus JJ, who would you rather have?
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:41 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:41 pm to RobbBobb
quote:Not sure about that one (link?).
having the most sacks in a yr is not something to boast about
If you check link I gave earlier you'll find JJ was #9 in Completions and also Completion % in a season ('09).
Interesting he is also #10 in Career YPG.
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Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:52 pm to Ace Midnight
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He gives them the play, he takes the snap and hands or throws to the designated player.
You don't understand the anti-JJ or anti-JL mental process. Goes like this, W's belong to the team and L's belong to the QB.
LSU didn't lose 2 games in 2010, JJ did. Didn't matter that the D got run around and over for 450 freaking yds vs. Auburn or even that JJ had almost 100 of the 150 yds rushing yards LSU got for the game with a TD while playing bout 1/2 the game snaps at QB, it only matters that JJ had a pic and bout 50 yds passing....therefore, he loss the game.
Arkansas scored 3 TDs that covered 200 yds in 3 plays and finished with 320 yds passing, but the JJ t/o and his missing on a few passess loss that game.
You gotta love the wild conjecture by the anti-JJ crowd that has LSU going undefeated if only anyone else had been taking our snaps.
Flynn, Russell, Davey, Hodson, and so on never had an undefeated year and LSU hasn't had one in 50 yrs, but LSU loss one cause of JJ in 2010. Hard to argue with that kinda logic, huh.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:55 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Herb Tyler over JJ hands down in my opinion. I think Herb Tyler was one of the most under rated college quarterbacks that LSU has had. He could run the ball but his best skill imho was his deadly accuracy. He wasn't a long ball thrower but his short passes were as accurate as any qb we have ever had.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:57 pm to Mayhawman
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He holds some single season records also.
outta curiosity, which ones? red zone efficiency? rushing TDs in a season (though I think he and Herb are tied there)?
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:07 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Except for the D screwups on those plays, Mallet had a miserable game and JJ actually outperformed him.
Arkansas scored 3 TDs that covered 200 yds in 3 plays and finished with 320 yds passing, but the JJ t/o and his missing on a few passess loss that game.
According to the logic here, never mind the D, JJ should've had a better game and that loss is on his shoulders. But HT gets a pass because the D was awful in '98 and the cause of the 7 losses.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:08 pm to omegaman66
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I think Herb Tyler was one of the most under rated college quarterbacks that LSU has had.
+1
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:14 pm to ATLTiger
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outta curiosity, which ones? red zone efficiency? rushing TDs in a season (though I think he and Herb are tied there)?
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If you check link I gave earlier you'll find JJ was #9 in Completions and also Completion % in a season ('09).
Interesting he is also #10 in Career YPG.
Not sure about QB TD rushing or RZ %. Those stats came from '10 LSU Media Guide/Records.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:20 pm to Mayhawman
Lonnie and others, you are 100% correct, as the OP of this I have learned two things, 1) Most LSU fans prefer HT to JJ and they have solid reasons for this 2) There is a % of the group that hate JJ so bad, they root for him to lose and do not rationally look at him, they would sooner root for the other team than JJ becuase he is thier devil, 10-2 or not. Seems to be the same group that views the 2002 UK miracle as NS being the best coach in the world and the 2010 LSU miracle of UT as being Les being an idiot. Two miracle wins over two average at best SEC teams and you get a hero and a villan...makes no sense
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:29 pm to secman12
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Seems to be the same group that views the 2002 UK miracle as NS being the best coach in the world and the 2010 LSU miracle of UT as being Les being an idiot.
you're trying too hard with the bolded. if there's such a group, it's pretty small. I don't think even the most ardent Saban lovers/ Les haters will point to the Bluegrass as being one of Saban's finer moments. unless you're talking his interview walking off the field.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:32 pm to secman12
quote:This is what I try to straighten out with a few facts. I lilely wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise seeing as HT is no longer a viable option and thus makes this a daydream thread.
do not rationally look at him
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:33 pm to Mayhawman
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Not sure about QB TD rushing or RZ %. Those stats came from '10 LSU Media Guide/Records.
oh, when you say someone "holds records", I'm thinking he's 1st or tied for 1st.
I understand ppl dumping on Jordan to an extent, but I think it's a bit too much after a while. for some reason I think he gets back to his 09 passing form and couples that with his 2010 running and has a pretty good yr. but we lose somewhere along the way and he's hated anyway, lol.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:40 pm to ATLTiger
quote:My bad, I should've stated LSU Top 10 Single Season Records. It was only a rebuttal of "Worst in History" comments.
oh, when you say someone "holds records", I'm thinking he's 1st or tied for 1st.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 8:52 pm to secman12
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There is a % of the group that hate JJ so bad, they root for him to lose and do not rationally look at him, they would sooner root for the other team than JJ becuase he is thier devil,
This is ridiculous...I don't think there is any LSU fan that hopes for JJ to play badly. The negative comments about JJs play are mostly a criticism of Miles for not trying someone (anyone) else after having two full seasons when we ranked 109th or worse as an offensive unit. Lee appeared to outplay JJ badly during the 1st half of last season, but he was not given the job. We recruit the top JC QB in the country, and Miles puts on a full blown publicity blitz about how improved JJ is over the spring, and then he lays an egg in the spring game.
LSU fans have all been frustrated by our terrible offense over the last two seasons, and everyone but Miles and a few Jefferson family members and friends recognize that the QB position is the primary problem.
Jefferson has not helped himself with his body lanqauge and his apparent belief that he has played well, but most fans are upset with Miles' unwillingness to make a change...they do not dislike JJ.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 9:00 pm to secman12
Both are very close in ability. . .but Herb is my favorite Tiger of all time.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:24 pm to Mayhawman
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Except for the D screwups on those plays, Mallet had a miserable game and JJ actually outperformed him.
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JJ should've had a better game and that loss is on his shoulders. But HT gets a pass because the D was awful in '98 and the cause of the 7 losses
Actually JJ gets the blame for leading the continuous 3 and out drives in the 2nd halves of the Arky and Auburn games. Conveniently the JJ backers leave that out when the hammer the D but hey I know it is a novel thing for JJ since he was horrific to poor in 9 of the 13 games last year but a few first downs and points would sure help the D as well as improving chances to win those big games.
Posted on 5/20/11 at 1:02 am to secman12
Herb everyday of the week. Reading through some of these posts just infuriates me. I'll say it since many on here won't, the play at QB has been so bad for so long that if we won a NC next year I would still consider JJ the worst QB we've ever had. Then I'd 
Posted on 5/20/11 at 1:42 am to wmLSU
Herb Tyler and Jordan Jefferson are both two of the most underated QB's in the history of LSU football. Only in hindsight do LSU fans appreciate the abilities of Tyler. It is going to be the same way with Jefferson. It's really a shame the way so called LSU fans denigrate one of the most succesfull QB's in LSU history who puts his heart and soul on the line every weekend during fall for such an ungratefull fan base. All the more credit to the young man for rising above and keeping a positive attitude in such a negative climate.
Posted on 5/20/11 at 6:13 am to boxcar willie
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Herb Tyler and Jordan Jefferson are both two of the most underated QB's in the history of LSU football
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It is going to be the same way with Jefferson.
:rotflmao: 
Posted on 5/20/11 at 6:26 am to secman12
Herb, the offense averaged 30 a game. and you gotta factor in our defense kept our offense on the sidelines most of the game.
Posted on 5/20/11 at 7:34 am to lsufan112001
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Herb Tyler and Jordan Jefferson are both two of the most underated QB's in the history of LSU football
That has got to be a joke right??????????
Actually the quote should be Herb Tyler is one of the most underrated qb's in LSU history.
I dont remember LSU having to pull Herb in several games because he kept going 3 and out (Tenn,Fla,Mcneese St 2010). I definitely dont remember Herb only being able to put up 4 total yards of combined offense vs Mcneese St or 47 against ULM.
And I know I never saw Herb on the sidelines sulking and pouting because his backup was outperforming him.
This post was edited on 5/20/11 at 7:35 am
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