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re: Help me understand the Burrow hype
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:03 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:03 am to TheCaterpillar
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Sixth, LSU players have already come out and said he's a great leader and his work ethic is very impressive.
And that's that!
The others are just trolling or have a favorite they are hyping.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:08 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Ok buddy. I guess once he's logged 1000 attempts we may finally get to one day know if he's any good.
I’d settle for 1 or 2 actual starts in a college football game. Your response was terrible. Be better
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:18 am to BlindTiger7
Joe Burrow came to LSU To be the starting Quarterback and lead us to the promise land. Not sit behind Justin McMillan for a year, and then Myles Brennan. Burrow is the starter for the next couple of years while we continue to develop Narcisse and brennan.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:21 am to BlindTiger7
I watched LSU spring game and watched the OSU spring game. He looked better than any QB we got. That’s it cautious optimism for me. Thing is he is now in a different system.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:33 am to SwampBandit
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Well, our QBs looked bad in the Spring Game for one.
Secondly, this guy was thought by many OSU fans to be the best QB on their roster and deserving of a starting spot.
Third, he's been coached up by Urban Meyer for years and has graduated college already in 3 years, hinting at maturity.
Fourth, he's physically impressive.
Fifth, he comes from a football family pedigree.
Sixth, LSU players have already come out and said he's a great leader and his work ethic is very impressive.
This is your answer
What he said
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:36 am to BlindTiger7
4 pages in 2 hours.. wow
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:39 am to the_watcher
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Completing passes up 52 in the fourth quarter vs. Bowling Green and up 40 vs. Indiana doesn’t exactly scream QB savior. Doing well in a glorified spring game scrimmage when the defense isn’t allowed to blitz the quarterback doesn’t either. He’s just asking where the hype comes from. It’s mostly wishful thinking.
He was highly recruited. So were Narcisse and Brennan. He throws a decent ball vs air. So did Etling. He comes from a football background. So do a ton of college qb’s. Hopefully he is incredible. But there is nothing concrete to definitely suggest he will be
All those words and the response is, "what's your point?"
I mean, all you are doing is taking the rationales for the hype and painting them as negatively as you can.
You shite on his incredible completion percentage because they were in mop up time. Well here is the optimistic spin: 78% is hard to do on air, let alone against even an undermanned defense.
Danny Etling only had one single game last year (14-17 against BYU) in which his completion percentage was higher. Zach Mettenberger only had one game (16-19 v. UAB) in 2013 with a higher completion percentage. Over three years, JaMarcus only topped this percentage in a single game five times. Five times in probably 30 starts. So shite all over the stats you want, they speak for themselves.
And they ARE a reason for optimism.
As for the spring game, while I agree that we shouldn't put much stock into the numbers, you can't just look at it in a vacuum. Those spring numbers are being looked at in juxtaposition with the numbers our other QBs put up in their spring game. Again, cause for optimism.
So with Burrow, you have a highly recruited QB who has done well when called upon and who played terrific in the spring v. a bunch of other highly recruited QBs who haven't played or haven't wowed us when they played and who all struggled in the spring.
Gee, I wonder why folks are excited about Burrow.
Ultimately, Burrow will have to perform. But to have trouble understanding the "Burrow hype" at this point either means you are borderline retarded or just a negative fan.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:41 am to TheCaterpillar
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Well, our QBs looked bad in the Spring Game for one.
Bad or just meh?
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Secondly, this guy was thought by many OSU fans to be the best QB on their roster and deserving of a starting spot.
Third, he's been coached up by Urban Meyer for years and has graduated college already in 3 years, hinting at maturity.
Fourth, he's physically impressive.
Fifth, he comes from a football family pedigree.
Sixth, LSU players have already come out and said he's a great leader and his work ethic is very impressive.
I’d add that his mechanics are exceptional.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:41 am to TheCaterpillar
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Well, our QBs looked bad in the Spring Game for one.
Secondly, this guy was thought by many OSU fans to be the best QB on their roster and deserving of a starting spot.
Third, he's been coached up by Urban Meyer for years and has graduated college already in 3 years, hinting at maturity.
Fourth, he's physically impressive.
Fifth, he comes from a football family pedigree.
Sixth, LSU players have already come out and said he's a great leader and his work ethic is very impressive.
Who in the world downvotes this?
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:01 am to the_watcher
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I’d settle for 1 or 2 actual starts in a college football game. Your response was terrible. Be better
You're being purposefully obtuse and are dug in, so I'm not going to waste much time trying to argue with you. Based on the film his mechanics, accuracy, footwork, and measurables are better than anyone we have on the roster. Those are good predictors of success. Add the intangibles, and the reason for the hype is apparent. Grow some balls and stop hedging with statements like "he may be good, we just don't know". The film is out there.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:05 am to the_watcher
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I’d settle for 1 or 2 actual starts in a college football game. Your response was terrible. Be better
If this is the criteria how did you feel about the QBs before Burrow got here?
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:09 am to TheDrunkenTigah
There is no excuse for game experience.
Neither Burrow, nor any of the others have much college game experience.
Neither Burrow, nor any of the others have much college game experience.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:18 am to TheCaterpillar
Why do I not gaf if this guy understands? I don't care. Don't believe the hype. Go away
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:22 am to BlindTiger7
Um, we did not have talented enough QBs on the roster...at all. Hence, Burrow. Whether he will be a difference maker remains to be seen.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:24 am to the_watcher
You can. Look at Brennen before the snap. He's confused as hell. He's not making adjustments. There's 5 seconds on the clock and he hasn't even begun to attempt a snap. Look at him after the snap. He's freaking the frick out and rushing and is about as uncomposed as possible. Look at those same items with burrow in the same mop up duty situations, and you get the opposite.
The fact that those things can be judged without seeing them during significant playing time is confirmed by the fact that 50% of starting QBs are picked every ear for 50% of teams without a returning starter, and that is done simply by evaluating how they did in mop up duty and how they look in practice. The same things we are looking at and judging burrow on now. And the same things we looked at in the spring game and everyone (including the coaching staff) came away with a nasty aftertaste.
So if it is anyone's position that we dont know anything about burrow because he doesn't have enough competitive tape, then you are saying that coaching staffs across the country likewise don't know anything when they are choosing first time starters.
The fact that those things can be judged without seeing them during significant playing time is confirmed by the fact that 50% of starting QBs are picked every ear for 50% of teams without a returning starter, and that is done simply by evaluating how they did in mop up duty and how they look in practice. The same things we are looking at and judging burrow on now. And the same things we looked at in the spring game and everyone (including the coaching staff) came away with a nasty aftertaste.
So if it is anyone's position that we dont know anything about burrow because he doesn't have enough competitive tape, then you are saying that coaching staffs across the country likewise don't know anything when they are choosing first time starters.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:26 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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You're being purposefully obtuse and are dug in, so I'm not going to waste much time trying to argue with you
I’m not the one in this discussion who is “dug in.” You say you aren’t going to waste time arguing with me then you type an entire paragraph “arguing” with me. I used quotations because I’m not arguing - I’m citing facts.
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Based on the film his mechanics, accuracy, footwork, and measurables are better than anyone we have on the roster.
Again, the only “film” we have is garage time mop up duty vs terrible teams up 50 points and spring game footage vs 2nd and 3rd stringers. And if by your own claim that our other qb’s aren’t good is true, how does being better than bad qb’s make you great? It just means you are better than some dudes who aren’t that good
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Add the intangibles, and the reason for the hype is apparent. Grow some balls and stop hedging with statements like "he may be good, we just don't know". The film is out there.
Grow some balls? Is everyone required to make a definitive statement that a qb WHO HAS NEVER STARTED A GAME IN HIS LIFE will either be good or bad? What you call hedging is what most rational people call being realistic.
He’s never faced a SEC defense. Never played Bama. Never started on the road at Jordan Hare. 37 total college passes. He’s in a brand new system with a new OC. You don’t “know” he will be good. You want him to. So do I. But I’m also not naive enough to state for 100% fact that he will be incredible.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:28 am to MightyYat
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If this is the criteria how did you feel about the QBs before Burrow got here?
Not good at all.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:28 am to BlindTiger7
Because Urban Meyer said he was good and LSU fans should be excited to have him.
WHY WOULD URBAN LIE TO US?
WHY WOULD URBAN LIE TO US?
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:30 am to SwampBandit
quote:No fanbase has ever loved the back up QB more than us
Secondly, this guy was thought by many OSU fans to be the best QB on their roster and deserving of a starting spot.
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