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re: HELENIHI shaking the haters off...
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:18 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:18 pm to Lester Earl
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either way, our offense isnt suffering.
So platooning Helenihi against lefties now and again is not a good idea? In other words he's simply worthless? And J Mitch striking out against lefties 3 out of 5 times is ok with you?
This post was edited on 5/21/09 at 7:19 pm
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Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:18 pm to HOUbengal
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even against lefties? You need to go to sleep...seriously.
he strikes out a lot, but also draws a lot of walks.
whats so hard to understand???
he gets on base, and a walk turns into a double pretty easily
yall keep rattling off about this LHP stuff...how about some stats?
what id like to know:
Helenihi's avg
Mitchell's AVG
Mitchell's OBP%
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:20 pm to moneyg
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Plus, you lose the speed on the basepaths of Mitchell and a pretty damn good OBP.
J Mitch's OBP IS horrid against lefties...absolutely horrid. It's hard to take advantage of your speed on the basepaths when you're never on the basepath. If you can show me where he has even a .300 OBP against lefties ill apologize...
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:21 pm to HOUbengal
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And J Mitch striking out against lefties 3 out of 5 times is ok with you?
he stirkes out A LOT regardless of LHP or RHP.
just so happens we faced over 20 LHP starters (according to PM) this year. So its magnified.
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So platooning Helenihi against lefties now and again is not a good idea?
Platooning him is not a good idea.
pinch hits is fine.
Now isnt the time to start this shite. You realize we are on the cusp of playing in a regional, being a national seed, and yall are bitching for someone who hasnt produced all year to start platooning all of a sudden with out best player? come the frick on. YOU need to get some sleep.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:22 pm to Baloo
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Helenihi outperformed Hollander but was kept on the bench for the veteran leadership.
Negative
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:23 pm to HOUbengal
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If you can show me where he has even a .300 OBP against lefties ill apologize...
will you ban yourself for a week?
cause i absolutely will do the numbers if so.
he has a %470. OBP on the season. With all the lefties we have faced, I doubt he gets on at under a 300 clip or else his total OBP would be dragged down tremendously.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:23 pm to Lester Earl
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he strikes out a lot, but also draws a lot of walks.
Im old and dont have a long term memory..but i dont recall him even walking very much against lefties in recent memory...period. But if you can work up some stats that say he is getting on base against lefties...lets say at a .275 percentage or better...Ill apologize. Of course a .275 is not so hot anyhow..
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:27 pm to tiger golfer1
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wait is this a thread arguing for helenihi to start?
No. People are just saying the someone like Helenihi should get a start against lefties, sometimes, especially when Mitchell and Landry have struggled against them of late. Why must Mitchell not be taken out? OBP%? Why do some people not understand that when you have someone striking out that much it is the worst possible outcome? Nobody is saying that Mitchell and Landry should not be the primary guys on most nights.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:28 pm to Lester Earl
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yall are bitching for someone who hasnt produced all year to start platooning all of a sudden with out best player?
HAsnt produced all year? He has 65 freaking ABs...that's about 15 games worth. He hits lefties pretty well and J Mitch is absolutely horrid..terrible..pathetic...whatever..against them. I think DH could definately see a start against a lefty in the postseason. I think PM is tired of the lack of production at the plate from J Mitch against lefties. We'll see.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:31 pm to HOUbengal
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He hits lefties pretty well and J Mitch is absolutely horrid..terrible..pathetic...whatever..against them
what do you base this on?
quit saying this shite until you post the numbers.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:32 pm to Lester Earl
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what do you base this on?
which part? Jmitch against lefties or DH against lefties?
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:33 pm to HOUbengal
Some people look in to stats way too much. Say Helenihi has a .350 OBP against lefties while Mitchell has a .250. But when you look at how each one of them got out you will probably find that Helenihi put the bat on the ball at a much higher rate. Thus moving the ball and putting runners in motion. And putting pressure on the defense
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:33 pm to rcocke2
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Nobody is saying that Mitchell and Landry should not be the primary guys on most nights.
Mitchell should play EVERY night. I dont give a shite what they do with Landry.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:33 pm to HOUbengal
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which part? Jmitch against lefties or DH against lefties?
both
post some numbers
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:34 pm to rcocke2
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Say Helenihi has a .350 OBP against lefties while Mitchell has a .250. But when you look at how each one of them got out you will probably find that Helenihi put the bat on the ball at a much higher rate.
what does this even mean?
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:35 pm to rcocke2
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Some people look in to stats way too much. Say Helenihi has a .350 OBP against lefties while Mitchell has a .250. But when you look at how each one of them got out you will probably find that Helenihi put the bat on the ball at a much higher rate. Thus moving the ball and putting runners in motion. And putting pressure on the defense
J Mitch has 53 Ks...most on the team. A distant second is Gibbs at 37. I wonder how many of the 53 are against lefties....
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:36 pm to Lester Earl
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He hits lefties pretty well and J Mitch is absolutely horrid..terrible..pathetic...whatever..against them
what do you base this on?
quit saying this shite until you post the numbers
If you use your brain and your eyes you will see that Mitchell has struck out something like 50 times. When right hand pitchers are going I can recall him having quite a few 2 for 3, 3 for 4, 2 for 4 kind of nights. So if we have faced equal numbers of lefty/righty pitchers one could conclude that J Mitch has absolutely crap numbers against lefties.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:38 pm to Lester Earl
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Say Helenihi has a .350 OBP against lefties while Mitchell has a .250. But when you look at how each one of them got out you will probably find that Helenihi put the bat on the ball at a much higher rate.
what does this even mean?
I did not want to but I am about to crunch the numbers if it isn't too time consuming.
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:38 pm to Lester Earl
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Mitchell should play EVERY night against right handed pitchers
fixed it...
Posted on 5/21/09 at 7:39 pm to rcocke2
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If you use your brain and your eyes you will see that Mitchell has struck out something like 50 time
he also leads the team in BB, SB, and OBP
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So if we have faced equal numbers of lefty/righty pitchers one could conclude that J Mitch has absolutely crap numbers against lefties.
then how does he keep his OBP at %470?
he is THAT good against RHP??? lol frick
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