re: Head coach winning percentages

I just had to ask how you would top your stupidity from earlier today. I just had to ask, didn't I? Damn, you are something.

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Does predicting a 4-8 season afer a loss ring a bell to you? It does, whether you admit it or not.

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DunbartonTiger
LSU Fan
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010

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How many losses have we had since January 2010?

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I stand by the team

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And you hope they'll lose a great coach.

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I feel it would be very ironic if he left given all the criticism he has recieved

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No, you "personally hope" he does leave. Big difference.

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I stand by lsu through thick and then, and I stand by the coach..

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No, you stand by the coach, and you hope he tells LSU to frick off if he proves he's a good coach.

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I stand behind our qb

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While you post that black QBs can't pass effectively and can't win big in college football.

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Do you remember your blowup of predicting LSU at 4-8 after a loss???

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No, and neither do you, Mr. January 2010.

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As far as qb. Blacks are not typically pro style qb's....period.

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Ah, back to the racism. Rohan Davey and Jamarcus Russell were about as "pro-style" as it gets. Pure drop-back passers with little or no tendency to scramble, excellent at reading defenses, checking off at the line of scrimmage, etc. Russell was so "pro-style" in college that he was the first player drafted by the NFL...after his junior year.

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I am sayingthat blacks are better athletes and at qb they are able to use those athletic skills to perform well without having to know how to progress through their reads...

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Because they're just not smart enough, right?

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I am not prejudice, just honest as some people are not. Major colleges today have a LARGE amount of blacks...but look at who is winning the championships in general...not just winning...but playing for them.

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Yes. Chris Leak. Vince Young. Michael Vick. Tee Martin.

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You like the boy at Ohio State....I wouldn't want him. YOu like the boy at Miami....wouldn't want him.....

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Seriously? You actually stooped to the "boy" reference? Wow. You're beyond the worst fan LSU could have. And by the way, the "boy" at Ohio State is leading the team that is ranked #2 in the country right now, and is a favorite to go undefeated and play for the national championship.

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you are a piece of work NUTS....you do not like our coach, your predict doom.....but yet you would easily jump on board with miles if he wins....what does that say about you?

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It says I look at what's happening on the field and I make judgments based on that.


Look, Dunbarton Tiger. It was somewhat entertaining to watch you make a complete idiot out of yourself, but this virulent racism is actually not only distasteful to read, but potentially harmful to LSU in any number of ways, so this discussion is over, at least from my end. Please never post again your thoughts on race on this message board.

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In an age when we play mostly cupcakes or mid-tier BCS league teams outside the conference (2010 is a rare exception), a 9-4 season isn't really successful.

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So, Saban only had 2 successful seasons out of 5 at LSU? And how unimpressive does that make the Bama 2007 season?

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Today in highschool the spread is predominant and that does not translate into a winning SEC qb. Certainly that is proven out at the Pro level.......think what you want. I am not prejudice, just honest as some people are not. Major colleges today have a LARGE amount of blacks...but look at who is winning the championships in general...not just winning...but playing for them. You like the boy at Ohio State....I wouldn't want him. YOu like the boy at Miami....wouldn't want him.

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Would you have wanted Tim Tebow you REDNECK BANJO PLAYING BIGGOT! I stand by what I called you earlier. You do not need to be on this website anymore. If it wasn't for Herb Tyler and Jerry Dinardo playing him, we would not be where we are today... Herb opened the door for many blacks to come to LSU and have a shot at qb. That sterotype ended then - at least for the civilized world outside of deville louisiana or wherever you are from...
I am NOT white FWIW.

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Domanick Davis, Tommy Banks, Fred Booker, Ryan Clark, Rohan Davey, Trev Faulk, Jarvis Green, Bradie James, Clarence LeBlanc, Norman LeJeune, Rondell Mealey, Josh Reed, Mark Roman, Robert Royal, and Brandon Winey would sure fit the bill for "SOME talent".

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Mark Roman, Clarence LeBlanc and Rondell Mealey were already gone before Saban got here. So, out of the remaining list, you've got

1 running back (Davis)
1 fullback (Banks)
1 cornerback (Booker)
2 safeties (LeJeune and Clark)
2 linebackers (James and Faulk)
1 receiver (Reed)
1 tight end (Royal)
1 offensive tackle (Winey)
1 quarterback (Davey)

That's 11 out of 22 positions. Like the other poster said, there was some talent at some positions, but the across-the-board roster talent was just not there to compete for national championships. Probably one reason why the team had gone 3-8 the year before.

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Why lump 09 with 08?

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Because they were similar in that they featured inept LSU teams not performing up to the levels they should have.

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09 had 9 regular season wins, a 3rd place finish in the SEC, a major bowl bid, and a national ranking. While certainly not 05 to 07 like, but to call it an "aberration" or different from the norm is not being familar with LSU football history since we have only bettered 9 wins 5 times in the last 10 seasons.

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In the current climate of 12-game regular seasons, 394 bowl games, obscene athletic budgets and cupcake non-conference scheduling, a school with the resources of LSU should have 9 wins in the bank before the season even starts. All you have to do is beat 4 weak OOC opponents, break even in the SEC and win a minor bowl game. Or, as we did, do barely better than break even in the SEC and then lose your bowl game. 9 wins isn't much of an accomplishment any more, and sure as hell doesn't qualify as "success" at any school that considers itself an elite national power. It's an acceptable result for an occasional "down" year, but at a school positioned the way we are, 10 wins should be the norm, and we should frequently win more than that. Only occasionally should we win less than 10, and extremely rarely should we win less than 9.

And spare me the 2000 and 2002 crap about Saban winning only 8 games. It was a shorter regular season in 2000, and the program was still in the relatively early stages of the rebuilding process. Once the talent was stocked and all the other factors like increased revenues and budgets, Louisiana recruiting being locked down, academic center, football operations center, weight rooms, etc. were in place, a mop bucket could win 8 or 9 games coaching at a place like LSU.

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So, Saban only had 2 successful seasons out of 5 at LSU? And how unimpressive does that make the Bama 2007 season?

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That's true. He had to do a major rebuilding job that made it impossible to do much in 2000 (a shorter regular season than today's situation) and there wasn't time to build enough depth to survive the onslaught of injuries and defections in 2002. So, those seasons weren't successful. It was amazing that he was able to do as well as he did in 2001. By 2003, it was set up. We had our one "down" year in 2004, but we still won 9 games despite playing fewer of them than we did in 2009. The one extra game was a non-conference game, which is usually a gimme for a school that specializes in scheduling cupcakes. Add Tulane or another in-state patsy to that team's schedule and we win 10 games even with the cheating refs at Auburn and Orlando. After that, it was pretty much clear sailing until Les Miles steered the ship into a reef(er).

In today's climate, a 9-win season is not much to brag about at a school in LSU's position.

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Nuts4LSU

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Give it up man.. these dudes will never understand... I know what you are sayin and agree 100 percent.

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Again, it happens. Bama is happy with the total picture..

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I would be 26-2 over the last 2 years and a MNC.

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My other point is - if 8 and 9 wins are not impressive, what is 7 wins? (I don't disagree that 8 wins is sub par. Once or twice in 6 to 8 seasons is okay, though. Miles is being inordinately criticized because he won 11, 11 and 12 - something Saban matched or bettered only ONCE at LSU.) If all Bama had to do was show to beat their 4 cupcakes in 2007 - oh, wait, they didn't beat one of their cupcakes... now I'm confused again...

Again, it happens. Bama is happy with the total picture..

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Yes, a lot of things happen in the first year of a rebuilding project. You can lose to USM (as Miles did in his first year at Oklahoma State) or Louisiana Tech (as Miles did in his second year at Oklahoma State)...or ULM or UAB. The longer a coach is there, the more the program reflects his ability.

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Miles is being inordinately criticized because he won 11, 11 and 12

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No, those aren't the seasons we're criticizing him for. 8 and 9 wins in the current 12-game, cupcake-scheduling, bowl-for-everybody climate is nothing to be proud of.

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As we sit here today, August 22, 2010, there is NO REASONABLY OBJECTIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SABAN'S TENURE AT LSU AND MILES' TENURE TO DATE - ZERO - NONE.

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you are not correct with this sttement. Saban came with a a pantry 1/2 full of groceries and left it overflowing. Miles inherited that pantry and kept it full. so there is a difference. the money poured into LSU's program b/c of Saban has effected recruiting and thus predecessors will benefit from it.
I do not care who our coach is as long as we win... we win 21 or more games over the next 2 years I would be one happy fan... Not even asking for a SEC title...