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re: Hatch's arm strength compared to LSU QBs in the past
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:16 pm to Spirit of Dunson
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:16 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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I am just used to fans bitching about our lack of stretching the field.
the field goes 2 ways. I think it's much more of a concern that we might not be able to stretch it horizontally than vertically. I don't want to have to see him thread passes in against Auburn and Florida with a short, horizontal field. That said, I think Crowton can get creative. And honestly, Hatch didn't attempt enough throws to really prove that he can't make some of those outs. We'll see more this week and next.
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Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:16 pm to Doc Feelgood
I think it's fair to be concerned about Hatch's arm,not only about how far he can throw it, but more importantly, how much velocity he puts on the ball. I felt that several of his passes may have been intercepted if the DBs had been SEC quality. He seems to "aim" his throws. But in fairness, it was his first game & we'll improve by the next game. I think Lee has a stronger arm, but he needs to be sure he throws to our receivers. Go Tigers!
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:19 pm to geauxgrrl
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not only about how far he can throw it, but more importantly, how much velocity he puts on the ball.
Exactly. Velocity if much, much more important than distance. This was something that a lot of the anti-Jamarcus crowd never really seemed to grasp. It's such a huge advantage to be able to whip the ball in tight spaces and not have to worry about it getting picked to the house.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:22 pm to geauxgrrl
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He seems to "aim" his throws.
In all fairness, this may have been more a function of his confidence than his arm strength. Being his first game, I'm pretty sure he was told to avoid mistakes, which he did. We'll see over the next 2 weeks, once he gains experience and confidence. The same can be said of Lee.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:35 pm to 1984Tiger
The first game of the season is usually tamed as far as big play's and long passes.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:40 pm to KjunTiga
I don't know JR was letting them fly his last 2 years starting the first game out. y Once we play teams that have the ability to sit on the short routes hatch will become a liability. I just feel comfortable with hatch coming off the bench. I honestly would love to see JJ take some snaps. Lee makes me nervous as well with the way he stares down and doesn't come off his primary receiver, but he showed the potential of at least completing a pass 15 yards downfield.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 12:57 pm to ready4something
Can someone tell me how many passes Lee threw beyond 15 yards? I seem to remember him throwing one pass downfield, and that was when he was scrambling and found Lafell in the end zone. With all this talk about Hatch's inability to throw downfield, I don't recall the coaches calling many plays for Lee to throw downfield either. Gameplan? Or do the coaches not feel comfortable with Lee throwing downfield either?
Posted on 9/1/08 at 1:03 pm to 1984Tiger
Yeah, you are right he only threw downfield with the play breaking down and finding lafell open. Hatch tossed it up twice on fly routes to byrd. Seeing lee throw he has good velocity and has more range in his throws. He seems to have only one primary locks on and doesn't look for anyone else. Tries to force passes into tight coverage. I think with more time and experience he can only improve. It will help open up the field. Maybe hatch was holding back but it looked like if it wasn't a called go/fly route he wasn't looking to throw downfield.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 2:05 pm to jlsutiger
Quote: "When discussing arm strength, we aren't necessarily talking about throwing distance. Yes, we don't need a qb to throw it 80 yds, but we do need one who can throw the 15 yard out with zip. Hatch's arm is so weak, he can't hit that pass. His lack of zip on the ball is the problem that can lead to picks when he's trying to get balls in tight spots."
I don't think that Jlsutiger will not be satisfied until Hatch is kicked off the football team due to his incredibly weak arm. Fellow (or should I say, "QB expert"?, you've made your point, already. Get over it. Stop making fun of our players.
I don't think that Jlsutiger will not be satisfied until Hatch is kicked off the football team due to his incredibly weak arm. Fellow (or should I say, "QB expert"?, you've made your point, already. Get over it. Stop making fun of our players.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 2:22 pm to Eternally Undefeated
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I don't think that Jlsutiger will not be satisfied until Hatch is kicked off the football team due to his incredibly weak arm. Fellow (or should I say, "QB expert"?, you've made your point, already. Get over it. Stop making fun of our players.
Man you got that right. What I can't understand is why our coaches haven't consulted with jlsutiger. I think we need to get Joe on the phone and get this guy on our coaching staff and save us from the most god-awful QB ever to step foot on the grid iron (tongue firmly planted in cheek).
Hey, Jo-Jo says it's fine. It's fine. Moving on.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 4:15 pm to Dynamis
I dont care if the guy has the arm strength of a 3-year old girl as long as we put a W in the books....he'll get better or he wont be playing long.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 4:34 pm to Doc Feelgood
i miss the days of cecil collins at wide reciever and tommy hodson at running back.. back when larry dinardeaux was offensive coordinator
Posted on 9/1/08 at 5:33 pm to lsu xman
Woodley had HUGE arm strength, but he couldn't make it go where he wanted. If Hatch were as physically inept as everybody thinks, he would be third string , I don't care if a 16 year old were starting.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 5:46 pm to JohnLSU
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Hatch put 17 points on the board in the first quarter.
With more than a little help from Charles Scott. Hatch certainly didn't exhibit a rocket arm and looked very tentative throwing downfield. My take is that lesser quality DB's can make up being out of position if he doesn't put more zip on his passes. Lee looked like the totally inexperienced QB that he is, but did show a live arm. I am not disappointed in either guy, they don't have to carry team. Was a little disappointed that Jefferson received no snaps.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 5:51 pm to Eternally Undefeated
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I don't think that Jlsutiger will not be satisfied until Hatch is kicked off the football team due to his incredibly weak arm
or until Les Miles is no longer the coach at LSU...
Posted on 9/1/08 at 6:02 pm to ganttenator
I was just thinkin' of those days last night...after a bottle of Stoli...
Posted on 9/1/08 at 6:08 pm to Hot Carl
You have a point. But, don't ever under estimate the value of throwing a catchable ball.Rohan was very good at that...he had great touch.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 6:42 pm to OTIS2
Hatch reminds me of Alan Risher back in the early 80's. I was only around 12 years old, but he was one of my all time favorites back then. I am not saying that Hatch will be one of my favs but him and Risher have similar mediocre arm strength, but makes smart decisions on the field with not too many mistakes.
Posted on 9/1/08 at 7:29 pm to PDXtiger
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I don't think that Jlsutiger will not be satisfied until Hatch is kicked off the football team due to his incredibly weak arm. Fellow (or should I say, "QB expert"?, you've made your point, already. Get over it. Stop making fun of our players.
I agree. I think we should give the kid a chance. It was his first game and I believe the coaching staff was just being conservative. If you look at the first time starts for previous quarterbacks, you will find that Hatch did better than most. Grant it, Hatch did not play SEC competition in his first games like JR, but he is a very smart kid that will not turn over the ball.
Posted on 9/22/08 at 9:42 am to PDXtiger
Anyone remember what number Alan Risher wore at LSU?....I believe #12 but can not quite recall.
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