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re: Hatch Hysteria

Posted on 8/24/08 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 1:50 pm to
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I don't think freshmen play varsity in the Ivy League


A quick glance at Harvard's 2008 roster and reading some of the bios proves they can.
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 1:55 pm to
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No, but from a recruit standpoint you have to look at the people in front of you.


So he chose Harvard over Oregon? Gotcha.

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When he was at Harvard he was a Freshman...how many times does a true freshman come in and start?


Who said anything about starting? Read the comment you quoted again. Freshman or not, if he is good enough to start in the SEC for the defending national champs shouldn't he have been more than a JV QB? Maybe a backup? Maybe actually getting a few snaps?

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historically BYU recruits well at the QB position


Grambling had a QB that won the Super Bowl as well. Couldn't we just as easily gotten their 4th string QB to come here?

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I have high hopes for him


"...my advice to you is to start drinking heavily"
Posted by brass2mouth
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 2:02 pm to
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if he is good enough to start in the SEC for the defending national champs shouldn't he have been more than a JV QB? Maybe a backup? Maybe actually getting a few snaps?



Hatch as a true freshman @ Harvard < Hatch as a Jr. at LSU.

You are obviously a pessimistic Tiger fan and a Hatch hater. I prefer to be a bit more optimistic and look at the positive side of it all.


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"...my advice to you is to start drinking heavily"


I already do.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 2:03 pm
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 2:07 pm to
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Hatch as a true freshman @ Harvard < Hatch as a Jr. at LSU


So he wasn't good enough to get anywhere near the field for Harvard as a freshman. But after spending a year not playing football, and another year as our 3rd or 4th QB, he is good enough to have "big things" expected of him at LSU?

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You are obviously a pessimistic Tiger fan and a Hatch hater


No, I'm just realistic. There was a reason he wasn't recruited at this level.

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I prefer to be a bit more optimistic and look at the positive side of it all.


What is the positive side?
Posted by xLxSxUxFxAxNx
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 2:09 pm to
how about some hatch t shirts? everyone remember "can't handle randle"?

how about "can't catch the hatch."
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:30 pm to
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No wonder you're analysis is off.
Yeah, how silly of me. . .

I should have trusted you instead.



At some point many of you are going to realize that you have such "faith" in Lee only because of his star rating out of high school, or some other arbitrary reason.

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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:34 pm to
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If you don't think Lee can throw us through a game then you have obviously never watched him throw the ball.


So you actually think that Lee can beat somebody with his arm?



I know some people were wanting him to start because they thought he was better than Hatch. . .but you are an actual "true believer" that thinks Lee can personally beat SEC defenses?



Keep fighting the fight, bro. . .
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:39 pm to
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At some point many of you are going to realize that you have such "faith" in Lee only because of his star rating out of high school, or some other arbitrary reason.


I would say their reasons are no more arbitrary than your's...
Posted by Rocket
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:40 pm to
I think Tbass was involved with the football team at some point with the past couple of years. Not sure if he still is.
Posted by TBass82
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:43 pm to
If you think I am basing this on star ratings than you are sadly mistaken.

And if you think Jarrett Lee does not have a good arm then I really just feel sorry for you.
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:43 pm to
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At some point many of you are going to realize that you have such "faith" in Lee only because of his star rating out of high school, or some other arbitrary reason.


What about those of us that have "faith" in him because we saw him thoroughly outplay Hatch in a scrimmage?
Posted by TBass82
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:44 pm to
I retired but I am still around there. Went out on top Rocket!
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:44 pm to
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I would say their reasons are no more arbitrary than your's...
I agree.

When I express mine, I get attacked. If you say Jarett Lee is "the truth", you get a message board blow job. If you say Hatch is better than Lee, you have to be wrong.

Posted by TBass82
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:45 pm to
Please tell me why you think Hatch is better, I am dying to know.

I am not saying Hatch is a bad quarterback. I just believe that Lee has a lot more upside and is going to be a good SEC quarterback. Of course there are gonna be some rocky times this year, neither has experience, but they have both been in the system the same amount of time. Lee just has more of an upside.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:46 pm to
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And if you think Jarrett Lee does not have a good arm then I really just feel sorry for you.
I have said before that he probably has a better arm than Hatch. I just think Hatch brings more to the equation.

If we were running a standard pro set, then I would say we need Lee. We aren't.

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:48 pm to
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What about those of us that have "faith" in him because we saw him thoroughly outplay Hatch in a scrimmage?
so he beat him in one scrimmage. . .

So?

You are basing your entire opinion on one scrimmage?
Posted by TBass82
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:51 pm to
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I just think Hatch brings more to the equation.


Like what?

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If we were running a standard pro set, then I would say we need Lee. We aren't


You don't think Crowton has the ability to make some changes to his offense so that it best fits the qb? I don't think Crowton gets enough credit for being able to make adjustments to his offense.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:52 pm to
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Please tell me why you think Hatch is better, I am dying to know.
Maturity, mobility, intelligence, and the staff seems to have more faith in him.

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I am not saying Hatch is a bad quarterback.
If you are saying a RS Freshman without any game experience is better than him, you really are.

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I just believe that Lee has a lot more upside and is going to be a good SEC quarterback.
JJ has more than Lee, IMHO.

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Lee just has more of an upside.
I agree, he has more potential than Hatch.

I think that potential will be on display next year, if both Jefferson and Shepard get injured.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 3:55 pm to
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You don't think Crowton has the ability to make some changes to his offense so that it best fits the qb?
Do you think GC would rather a QB that fit his system, or one that he has to drastically change his system to accomodate?

You are saying we change our system dramatically just to fit a kid. . .simply because of his assumed "upside"?
Posted by TBass82
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 4:00 pm to
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Maturity, mobility, intelligence, and the staff seems to have more faith in him.


They are both very mature, Lee is a better runner than people think and both are very smart. Also, the coaching staff believes in both of them, not one over the other.

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If you are saying a RS Freshman without any game experience is better than him, you really are.


I believe Lee is more talented, and you act like Hatch has a lot of game experience. To me mop up duty against MTSU is not "game experience". I think he gets more "game experience" in practice against our defense.

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I agree, he has more potential.

I think that potential will be on display next year, if both Jefferson and Shepard get injured.



That potential will be shown this year, and we will see even more next yea when he is the starter after he has gone through a season in the SEC.



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