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re: Good coaches? Good athletes?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:42 am to karralum
Posted on 1/16/13 at 7:42 am to karralum
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How its humorous (besides auto correct got me in spelling jingo instead of Mingo)? Since everyone can agree that LSU and Bama probably has the best talent in CFB, but the problem comes in when fans question why in the heck we are loosing to Clemson in the Peach Bowl, and Bama is giving ND a beat down in the Championship game.
Another great post from a fellow negitiger!!!
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:06 am to karralum
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How its humorous (besides auto correct got me in spelling jingo instead of Mingo)?
because you said that talent is the only reason Miles wins (which is asinine in itself)...then in the same breath you say Miles can't develop talent and the players regress....even after we just had 10 juniors declare for the draft.
so...do you believe that Miles wins on talent alone?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:16 am to Choctaw
How many offensive players recruited by CLM have succeeded in the NFL?
CLM is the exact opposite of what he used to be. He was aggressive and went for the jugular putting good players in position to make plays.
Under his supervision that fire has been reduced to a spark with nothing combustible in within a mile. It's frustrating that he doesn't give a sh*t about improving anything about this offense.
Hell at least acknowledge it and give your fanbase something to look forward to. I think that's all most realists(negatigers as the blind idioits would say) want to see and hear.
CLM is the exact opposite of what he used to be. He was aggressive and went for the jugular putting good players in position to make plays.
Under his supervision that fire has been reduced to a spark with nothing combustible in within a mile. It's frustrating that he doesn't give a sh*t about improving anything about this offense.
Hell at least acknowledge it and give your fanbase something to look forward to. I think that's all most realists(negatigers as the blind idioits would say) want to see and hear.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:21 am to LuzianaFootball
so...do you believe that Miles wins on talent alone?
....and stop using the "players Miles recruited" angle. It's stupid.
....and stop using the "players Miles recruited" angle. It's stupid.
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:24 am to Choctaw
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do you believe that Miles wins on talent alone?
No.
Do you believe he gets the most out of his talent on offense?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:28 am to Topwater Trout
most of them...yes. QB...not lately
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:33 am to LuzianaFootball
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How many offensive players recruited by CLM have succeeded in the NFL?
Ridley
Lafell
Randle
Now do offensive players recruited by Saban at Alabama succeeding in the NFL
Julio
Ingram
Richardson
Seems about the same
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:34 am to Choctaw
Quote: because you said that talent is the only reason Miles wins (which is asinine in itself)...then in the same breath you say Miles can't develop talent and the players regress....even after we just had 10 juniors declare for the draft.
1. Would Miles win if he were coaching lets say ole miss, miss st,, mizzou, Kentucky, heck ill even throw Auburn in there for a wrench. Do you honestly think Miles would have 8,9,or 10 win seasons consecutively if he were the head coach at any of these programs?
Better question would you agree that LSU is better talented than Clemson, if so why did we loose that game?
Quote: So you think Miles wins on talent alone?
Most games LSU has far superior talent than their opponent, so in those games it won't matter who the coach is, I remember saying how LSU was going to beat the brakes off of Oregon last year (yes I was ridiculed when I made that statement...on an ESPN thread) and what happened? I still say the only PAC team right now that could give any SEC team trouble was Stanford because of how their talent is spread out across their team offensively and defensively.
So in essence for about 8 of his wins is pure talent, and for every loss it's Coaching since we'd agree LSU would have had the better talent or equal talent (Bama).
1. Would Miles win if he were coaching lets say ole miss, miss st,, mizzou, Kentucky, heck ill even throw Auburn in there for a wrench. Do you honestly think Miles would have 8,9,or 10 win seasons consecutively if he were the head coach at any of these programs?
Better question would you agree that LSU is better talented than Clemson, if so why did we loose that game?
Quote: So you think Miles wins on talent alone?
Most games LSU has far superior talent than their opponent, so in those games it won't matter who the coach is, I remember saying how LSU was going to beat the brakes off of Oregon last year (yes I was ridiculed when I made that statement...on an ESPN thread) and what happened? I still say the only PAC team right now that could give any SEC team trouble was Stanford because of how their talent is spread out across their team offensively and defensively.
So in essence for about 8 of his wins is pure talent, and for every loss it's Coaching since we'd agree LSU would have had the better talent or equal talent (Bama).
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:41 am to karralum
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Better question would you agree that LSU is better talented than Clemson, if so why did we loose that game?
shite happens...why did bama lose to A&M...or better yet...why did they lose to ULM in '07?
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Most games LSU has far superior talent than their opponent, so in those games it won't matter who the coach is
this is just frickin' stupid and the reason you can't have a logical conversation on this board
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So in essence for about 8 of his wins is pure talent, and for every loss it's Coaching
Jesus
so...let me get this straight....what you're saying is basically all these players that Miles has recruited could've come straight out of high school, never practiced, never had team meetings, never had film study, never had weight training (all held by our shitty coaches) and won over 80% of their games, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC championships, 1 NC, played in another NC, and win 13 straight in '11......because they're so super duper talented.
see Rant....this is why we can't have nice things.
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 8:42 am
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:42 am to karralum
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Would Miles win if he were coaching lets say ole miss, miss st,, mizzou, Kentucky, heck ill even throw Auburn in there for a wrench
Well he won at Oklahoma St. So I'll say yes.
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So in essence for about 8 of his wins is pure talent, and for every loss it's Coaching since we'd agree LSU would have had the better talent or equal talent (Bama).
I don't even know where to start addressing how stupid your posts have been. I'll just attack you're idiotic argument.
If you premise is talented players under Miles have regressed, how can LSU be as talented as Alabama? So if we agree that talent regresses and LSU isn't the most talented team, then Miles must be winning games based on his coaching?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:43 am to Choctaw
So all these underclassmen are leaving right, even when they have had subpar junior seasons right? So could it be that they had stellar sophomore seasons or nfl scouts see huge potential there meaning...............................
Super sophomore season + subpar junior season = regression or lack of player development.
Ooh ooh wait I got a good one for you JJ was considered a 5-7 round pick had he left LSU after his performance in the cotton bowl vs aTm
Super sophomore season + subpar junior season = regression or lack of player development.
Ooh ooh wait I got a good one for you JJ was considered a 5-7 round pick had he left LSU after his performance in the cotton bowl vs aTm
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:45 am to EarthwormJim
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Well he won at Oklahoma St. So I'll say yes.
I think he was 28-21 at Ok St. Not exactly winning at the rate he is now.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:46 am to TigerFanNKaty
quote:That's pretty much my opinion of Miles and the opinion of ALL of my friends. (Most of whom are either LSU grads or former teammates) He's a great recruiter and has assembled a staff full of good recruiters. Outside of Chavis, maybe Haley and Wilson though, this staff doesn't appear to be a real good technical teaching/coaching staff OVERALL. Many weak links on that staff. We're winning a lot of those games because of defense and an overall talent advantage, not because of any superior game preparation and management.
He can recruit and is a father figure, that is about as far as it goes for him. If he does not find the offensive equivalent of John Chavis LSU is going to slide into mediocrity. I don't care how many 4 or 5 stars you have you can't win championships on talent alone.
If you were starting a staff from scratch and had carte blanche to pick anybody from the LSU staff, who would you go with? I'd definately take Chavis, possibly Haley and maybe take a look at Wilson for running backs. I'd give Ensminger a courtesy call to possibly coach QB's, but NOT TE's. That's it. Nobody else on that staff even gets a look see. We need superior teaching coaches at Offensive Coordinator, Offensive Line, Tight End, Wide Receiver and Defensive Back. We don't have that currently. We just have highly recruited talent doing the best they can with mediocre position coaching. (Outside of Chavis, Haley and Wilson)
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:50 am to Topwater Trout
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I think he was 28-21 at Ok St. Not exactly winning at the rate he is now.
Well of course not. He took over a 3 win team and got them back to 8 wins in his second year.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:52 am to karralum
1. would you like to respond to my post where i called out your "Miles wins on talent" logic
2.
so these "super sophomore" seasons you're claiming they all had.....i guess that was because they were so super talented, right? nothing to do with coaching
3.
Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell were #1 picks
2.
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So could it be that they had stellar sophomore seasons or nfl scouts see huge potential there meaning...............................
Super sophomore season + subpar junior season = regression or lack of player development.
so these "super sophomore" seasons you're claiming they all had.....i guess that was because they were so super talented, right? nothing to do with coaching
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Ooh ooh wait I got a good one for you JJ was considered a 5-7 round pick had he left LSU after his performance in the cotton bowl vs aTm
Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell were #1 picks
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:54 am to BRAVEHEART
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this staff doesn't appear to be a real good technical teaching/coaching staff OVERALL. Many weak links on that staff. We're winning a lot of those games because of defense and an overall talent advantage
good God people...just stop
how do people not realize how stupid this whole "talent" argument is?
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:55 am to Topwater Trout
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I think he was 28-21 at Ok St. Not exactly winning at the rate he is now.
look at their record the 10 years before he got there
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:57 am to EarthwormJim
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I don't even know where to start addressing how stupid your posts have been. I'll just attack you're idiotic argument.
If you premise is talented players under Miles have regressed, how can LSU be as talented as Alabama? So if we agree that talent regresses and LSU isn't the most talented team, then Miles must be winning games based on his coaching?
some of the stuff they come up with is just mind blowing. they talk themselves in circles and don't even realize it
This post was edited on 1/16/13 at 9:05 am
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:57 am to EarthwormJim
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Well he won at Oklahoma St. So I'll say yes
His best season at Okst was 9-4 which would translates to 7wins in the SEC. Hey and he lost to an SEC school in the bowl game that year as well. Maybe LSU was desperate considering he came in after a 7-5 season ending with a Blowout loss to Ohio St.
Posted on 1/16/13 at 8:57 am to Choctaw
Look at Gundy's record since he has been there.
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