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re: Glenn Guilbeau on College Football Live today...
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:14 pm to The312
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:14 pm to The312
quote:Don't leave out Tigerdandy, resident fanboy of Les Miles, or he will pitch a hissy fit, call you names, and put you in his sig quote.
And the only person who has an "agenda" here - and a blatant one at that - is you, the reflexive defender of all things Miles.
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:18 pm to Boh
quote:Because the perception is that we were mediocre, because we "LOOKED" mediocre. That may or may not make us mediocre, but that's how we were perceived.
Explain how finishing 3rd in the best conference in the country is mediocre.
That's where the big fight is, were we really good but just underachieved, or were we really bad and just got lucky on a few games? No one knows at this point until we see the first few games. 9-3 as a record is NOT mediocre, but the team didn't wow anyone in most of the games we played in against good competition. Hence, the perception that we were in fact, mediocre.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:18 pm to Datbayoubengal
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You must be speaking to yourself because to post something that stupid is ridiculous. There are other variations of the record you could have used, but you stated 0-8 YEAR ONE, and then 8-0 YEAR TWO.
Now most "rational", and people with a larger "mental capacity" than you would have probably said they changed dramatically on over the offseason, and corrected any mistakes that occured in the 3-9, 4-8 campaign the year prior.
Sigh. Let me ask you this question. Assume LSU was 0-8 then went 8-0, or vice versa, went 8-0, then went 0-8. If I asked to you to suucinctly characterize the program's overall performance during that two year stretch (not during one season or the other, but during the entire two year span), how would you do it?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:19 pm to LJBurton
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The deeper we get into the Miles regime, the more he becomes SOLELY responsible for the results. Years 1 and 2 were more about the previous coach's recruits. Yes, Les gets credit for the results, but not SOLE credit. Year 3, Les gets most of the credit. Years 4 and 5, Les gets all of the credit (some would say blame).
shouldn't the same go for Saban
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:20 pm to Datbayoubengal
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shouldn't the same go for Saban
Saban had his best two SEC records in years 4-5 at LSU.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:25 pm to Datbayoubengal
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shouldn't the same go for Saban
The same goes for anybody. What's your point?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:27 pm to The312
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Sigh. Let me ask you this question. Assume LSU was 0-8 then went 8-0, or vice versa, went 8-0, then went 0-8. If I asked to you to suucinctly characterize the program's overall performance during that two year stretch (not during one season or the other, but during the entire two year span), how would you do it?
To characterize polar opposite records from two years is astoudingly small minded. Why would i conclude a two year span that has us going undefeated to us completely shiting the bed? You can't rationally compare the two because obviously something has gone drastically awry within a year to obtain these two unbelievably differing results.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:31 pm to The312
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LJBurton
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The312
So wouldn't Saban have won with Shula's recruits who were laden all over 2009 BCSNCG starting lineup.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:33 pm to Colonel Flagg
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2005: 7-1
2006: 6-2
2007: 6-2
2008: 3-5
2009: 5-3
You don't see a fairly steady decline here?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:34 pm to Datbayoubengal
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So wouldn't Saban have won with Shula's recruits who were laden all over 2009 BCSNCG starting lineup.
And if it should so happen that Saban's SEC record declines precipitously in years four and five of his Bama coaching tenure, I would certainly be willing to reconsider his coaching credentials. However, historically, he had his best SEC records in years 4 and 5 at LSU.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:37 pm to Datbayoubengal
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So wouldn't Saban have won with Shula's recruits who were laden all over 2009 BCSNCG starting lineup.
Yes, and Saban owes Shula some gratitude for what he inherited.
The two situations are different in that Saban left LSU of his own accord, and he left an elite program in his wake.
Shula was removed at Alabama, and he left the building blocks for a potentially elite program in his wake.
Entirely different situation, and not completely fair to Les.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:45 pm to The312
8-9 wins.
I quit reading this thread right here. I'm sure there are other profoundly stupid statements in here and I don't want my head to explode.
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So in order for Les Miles to keep his job, he just needs to continue being mediocre?
I quit reading this thread right here. I'm sure there are other profoundly stupid statements in here and I don't want my head to explode.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:47 pm to Chimlim
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2005: 7-1
2006: 6-2
2007: 6-2
2008: 3-5
2009: 5-3
You don't see a fairly steady decline here?
Why don't you put that into Excel and plot a trend line. Let me know how those data points indicate a steady decline.
ETA: Nevermind. I figure that might be a little too much to ask so I did it myself.
Some might say that last point indicates an improvement. Some might ignore that last point saying it is obviously an exception. The dumb ones would just ignore it cause it doesn't fit into what they are preaching.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:53 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Why don't you put that into Excel and plot a trend line. Let me know how those data points indicate a steady decline.
7-1 to 6-2 to 6-2 to 3-5 to 5-3 seems pretty steady to me. I guess one really bad 3-5 season makes it seem like we're improving.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:54 pm to Chimlim
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7-1 to 6-2 to 6-2 to 3-5 to 5-3 seems pretty steady to me. I guess one really bad 3-5 season makes it seem like we're improving.
You fit into the third group.
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The dumb ones would just ignore it cause it doesn't fit into what they are preaching.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:58 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Some might say that last point indicates an improvement. Some might ignore that last point saying it is obviously an exception.
It is an improvement from a 3-5 record. What about the big drop off from 6-2? The question is.... is our program heading back towards the 6-2 /7-1 points? We'll find out this season.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:01 pm to Chimlim
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We'll find out this season.
True.
Maybe a better statement would be that from year 1 through 4 there was a decline in tour SEC record while we did have a substantial improvement last year.
Then we might notice that our record took a serious hit 2 years ago around the same time Alabama started wrecking shop. Florida and Alabama are on our schedule every year. For the past 2 years they have been 1 and 2 nationally for a majority of the season. a 5-3 record in the SEC with those heavy hitters there is pretty good and NOT AT ALL MEDIOCRE.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:05 pm to Boh
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It's not outside the realm of possibility that Miles would be on his way out with a 7-5 regular season.
After Alleva's letter to the LSU nation this past year, I think a firing with even 8 wins is likely. UNLESS it is the mirror opposite of last year. Last year our play overall was more indicative of a team with 7 wins than 9. If we look like a boarderline BCS bowl team but only win 8 games, Miles might get the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:09 pm to Chimlim
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7-1 to 6-2 to 6-2 to 3-5 to 5-3
Do you numbnuts not understand that 4 of those loses were to an Ole Miss team that beat the eventual National Chamionship winner, The actual National Championship winner, The SEC championship contender who was 12-0 in regular season, A Georgia team who was preseason #1 and only loses came to 12-0 Alabama, National Champ Florida, and annual rival Geo Tech.
How many games did you truly think we'd win with truefresh Lee, Harvard QB Hatch, and Co-Def coordinators.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:11 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Stop with the finishing third in our conference stuff. You look at the season Alabama had, and the season Florida had, and then look at ours. It's like being B.J. Armstrong and talking about how many points Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Armstrong managed to combine for.
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