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re: "Game Managers" Do Not Win Championships

Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:16 pm to
Posted by Benchwarmer
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:16 pm to
False. Mauck and flynn were game managers and won MNC's. JR was not.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Game managers win championships.



Please enlighten me as to who are all these game managers who are winning championships.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Mauck and flynn were game managers and won MNC's.


only white players can be game managers, duh!


Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Mauck and flynn were game managers



No, they really weren't.


quote:

JR was not.



Yet he threw for 6 less interceptions than Mauck, and 3 less than Flynn in their NC seasons.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

False. Mauck and flynn were game managers and won MNC's. JR was not.


Please do not tell me you think Jamarcus is the reason that 2006 LSU did not win a title, because if you do think so, I will drop some serious statistics on you
This post was edited on 9/22/09 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:25 pm to
I'm gonna go ahead and repost this, because to me this is what makes a true game manager. If no one reads it this time, GFYs :


quote:

They hand the ball off and attempt to convert third downs when necessary.




That is the key to a game manager IMO. One who is usually limited to making a play downfield to 3rd downs. The run to pass ratio on 1st and 2nd would be much higher for a true "game manager".

LSU typically didn't limit the playbook on 1st and 2nd down with Mauck and Flynn, which means that the offense was running through them, not that they were simply "managing the game" based on down and distance.

Posted by pfunkTiger
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

quote:


It's not enough to just "not lose" games, quarterbacks have to be able to actually win them




better look at the qb's from the last 10 national champions...


I guess you're not talking about Tim Tebow (2/3NC), Vince Young, Matt Leinert?

How about you need a qb that can read defenses, hit open receivers down field, escape the rush, and not make bonehead mistakes - like taking sacks on the road with little time left and no timeouts against Auburn.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

Tiger Voodoo



I am in complete agreement with your definition.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Please enlighten me as to who are all these game managers who are winning championships.


Let's see. There's Mauck, Flynn, Leinart, Krenzel, Heupel...
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:35 pm to
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Mauck, Flynn, Leinart, Krenzel, Heupel...





I have stated why I think Mauck and Flynn were not game managers. You have yet to explain why you think otherwise. Looking at your list, I can only reasonably conclude that your reasoning is because they are white. And Leinart won the fricking Heisman and Heupel was a finalist. To include them is absurd and shows just how stupid you are regarding this topic.
Posted by Pierre
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:39 pm to
Game managers and playmakers are not exclusive. Most great QB's are both.

Tom Brady is a great game manager he is also a playmaker.

Brett Farve would be considered more of a playmaker IMO.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

Looking at your list, I can only reasonably conclude that your reasoning is because they are white. And Leinart won the fricking Heisman and Heupel was a finalist. To include them is absurd and shows just how stupid you are regarding this topic.


Conclusions aren't your bag, Baby. Where's Tebow? Right, not there. Oh, is he black? You have no idea what you're talking about. I linger here to laugh at your miserable thought processes. It's truly enjoyable. Please continue.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

Conclusions aren't your bag, Baby. Where's Tebow? Right, not there. Oh, is he black? You have no idea what you're talking about. I linger here to laugh at your miserable thought processes. It's truly enjoyable. Please continue.


quote:

AlxTgr


This post was edited on 9/22/09 at 2:47 pm
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

Were Flynn and Mauck game managers?


To a large degree they were game managers, but they were also playmakers. Mauck carried the team on his shoulders in the 01 SEC Championship game and we wouldn't have made it to the NC game in 03 if he hadn't made such a great pass to skyler green against UGA at Tiger Stadium.

Samething with Flynn and the 07 Auburn game
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:45 pm to
I know he's a troll, but sometimes, taunting the trolls is fun.
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

"Game Managers" Do Not Win Championships
Not in today's college football world.


PROVIDE EVIDENCE AND SUPPORT
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

Let's see. There's Mauck, Flynn, Leinart, Krenzel, Heupel...




like i said, people think all white QBs are game managers



Leinart? Seriously? one of hte best college QB's EVER

Heupel was a Heisman semi finalist
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

like i said, people think all white QBs are game managers
Why isn't Tebow there? fricking racist.

quote:

Leinart? Seriously? one of hte best college QB's EVER

Heupel was a Heisman semi finalist


Wait, is a game manager not a great QB? You have some silly made up definition.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 9/22/09 at 2:54 pm to
Trent Dilfer

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