re: Funny to read these McMahon/ basketball threads from a month ago....

lol

Where was i wrong. Posting little memes means nothing except show to you don't have the intelligence to respond. I've never said Mcmahon was a better or worse coach than Wade, I'm saying the loss of Reed on this young team was a huge blow. If you refuse to see that then you are just an emotional hater.

Explain the big mismatch Reed provides

Reed is able to step out and hit the 3 bringing a big out with him. What happens now when Chest or collins get the ball out side. They sit back and pack the lane. he is also better at driving to the goal so he can go by his defender to the goal. He is also bigger and more physical at this time than those 2. he is not easily backed down to the goal Like Collins and Chest are. You really think his loss on this team means nothing? Seriously? Like I said the biggest disappointment is Sears but we play a lot of inexperienced players right now. That will change as they get more PT`but not having Reed has completely changed this team. But haters gonna hate.Mcmahon may end up not being the right guy but I laugh at all the hate when everyone knows as soon as Reed went down the season was over. At least anyone that knows basketball.

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But haters gonna hate.Mcmahon may end up not being the right guy but I laugh at all the hate when everyone knows as soon as Reed went down the season was over.

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Would LSU be a better team with Reed? Very likely. But this statement is absurd hyperbole based upon little to no actual evidence other than a need to absolve McMahon of any and all responsibility for his consistent lackluster performance

Prior to this year Reed had been the most frustratingly inconsistent player on LSU's team. Both in terms of production and effort. Some nights, hell even in moments of some games, he would be dominant, only to quickly shift to looking like he didn't even know a basketball game was going on around him. That wasn't just over the course of 4-5 games. It was over the course of 65 games.

This year the inconsistency was there again (though maybe to a slightly lesser degree). He was dominant in the opening game with 24/8. Then he had 6/3 in 24 minutes vs. Alabama St (with 2 turnovers); 5/8 vs. Kansas St in 18 minutes with 3 turnovers (he was on the bench most of the second half after McMahon accidently figured out Chest could rebound), he then had 6/8 vs with 3 turnovers vs. Charleston So before playing two really good games in the Greenbrier tournament.

LSU didn't exactly dominate the Alabama St and Charleston So games from start to finish. So what you saw in those first 7 games was really what you saw in the previous 65 games. A guy who at times of dominant but could quickly disappear. Maybe this was the year he was going to put it together and be a consistent force. But there was ZERO evidence that was a certainty. Certainly not enough to say this was going to be a really good team whose success was completely derailed by the loss of one player. In fact, 72 games of evidence suggested it was more likely than not he'd be a slightly better version of the inconsistent player he'd always been.

Again, him being out doesn't make LSU better. I just don't know if it makes them significantly worse than what they were likely going to be once SEC play starts. Unfortunately, no one can answer that question. All we have to go on is past results.

I look at his last 3 games before he got hurt. Yes he tended to play down to his competition but his defense and his ability to bring the ball up the court were also tangibles that he brought to the court. Not to mention spacing by bringing bigs out to the 3 point line.

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I look at his last 3 games before he got hurt.

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That's my point. IF that was the only 3 games of data we had on him I would be more apt to agree it was a crushing loss. But that's not all of the data we have. We actually had ~70 games of data to look at. That data showed an inconsistent player. Could those 3 games been the start of a consistently great rest of the season? Absolutely. But past history says that was unlikely.

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Yes he tended to play down to his competition

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The level of competition really didn't have much to do with it. Last year he had some good games early on. Then, starting with Texas and extending into the first 11 games of SEC play he only scored in double-figures one time (10 points). He had two good games vs. South Carolina and Kentucky, LSU's best wins, then was immediately a no-factor in the next two home games vs. Mississippi St and Georgia (a blowout loss and 1 point win)

Hey, I get it, many don't like when I throw out stats/data on here, but I like discussions/opinions with evidence to support those opinion as oppose to just subjective thoughts with very little basis for it beyond a preferred narrative.

Don’t do that straw man shite, I didn’t say that. What you’re describing isn’t a mismatch, you’re just providing attributes. What is this major mismatch because other bigs can do that too and a lot of them do it better. Is he a loss, of course but this is a player who’s just ok, the biggest loss with him is that he’s heavier than the other bigs although he’s a C- athlete so they’re easily better in that regard. He’s a rotational piece not a pillar type player.

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I will respectfully disagree with your opinion as to how much the Reed loss affected this team.

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That's fair. We can disagree.

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The one criticism I do have is you can't have a PG that is as careless with the ball as Sears.

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True. But by this point it's hard to say the turnover issue is not a byproduct of McMahon's offense more so than the individual players. LSU's has been really bad in turnovers in each of McMahon's three seasons...with (now) 3 different sets of backcourts. When something keeps happening over and over with different variables don't you have to start looking for common factors?

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Fact is Mamahon isn't going anywhere next year

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I don't know if we can say that with a high degree of confidence anymore. I don't think he needs to win a lot of games in SEC play to get to year 4, simply because I don't think LSU really wants to make a coaching change right now. But the rest of this season really looks bleak. They lost a winnable home game vs. Vandy and were never really competitive (trailed by double-digits for 30 minutes) against one of, maybe the weakest opponent they will play on the road the rest of the season. At least in year's 1 & 2 LSU started off conference play well. They don't even have that to fall back on right now.

There was very little excitement/interest in the program before the season. There is probably less excitement/interest in program from the fans (i.e. customers) now. Another really bad season (at least in SEC play) is going to start to push away even more fans. At that point the AD will have to ask himself is saving ~$2.7M (next year's salary minus the 20% decrease if he is bought out) worth another year with rock bottom interest from your customers and the high likelihood the performance, even if a bit better, won't be enough to bring a significant number of your customers back? Like on many occasions in life, domestic, work, business, etc, sometimes you just have to accept things aren't going to work out and make a change for the betterment of the future rather than prolonging the inevitable.