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re: For those who think JJ will be a distraction to the team
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:19 am to coachjeaux
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:19 am to coachjeaux
Les will start whoever gives us the best shot to win.
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Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:19 am to Choctaw
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:20 am to BayouBndt
quote:
Oh so your just thinking about the bowl game?
No, I think about every game that JJ and JLee have played in.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:21 am to Choctaw
quote:
Neither had JL prior to this year.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:21 am to ScoopAndScore
WHO IS JJ? 
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:22 am to USLttarP
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if you had access to premium subscription video..in practice.
Obviouly the LSU coaching staff needs to get access to this premium subscription then.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:22 am to rumtumtiger
quote:
Les will start whoever gives us the best shot to win.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:23 am to rumtumtiger
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Les will start whoever gives us the best shot to win.
Exactly. Why can't LSU fans accept this and enjoy the ride?
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:24 am to TigerWoody
I love how some of the people on here apparently don't like JJ, but I wonder how JL feels about him? I am guessing he is friends with him as well, which makes all the hate on here that much funnier.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:24 am to ScoopAndScore
#9 Jo. Jefferson Comp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic
North Carolina 15-21-1 71.4 151 2 51 1-21 153.73
Vanderbilt 8-20-1 40.0 96 0 24 1-6 70.32
Mississippi State 10-16-0 62.5 97 0 21 1-2 113.43
West Virginia 10-22-2 45.5 75 0 20 2-8 55.91
Tennessee 3-10-2 30.0 30 0 17 0-0 15.20
Florida 7-12-1 58.3 100 0 29 1-8 111.67
McNeese St. 5-8-0 62.5 28 0 15 2-17 91.90
Auburn 7-14-1 50.0 46 0 12 2-15 63.31
Alabama 10-13-0 76.9 141 1 75 0-0 193.42
ULM 4-10-0 40.0 51 0 23 1-6 82.84
Ole Miss 13-17-1 76.5 254 1 40 1-9 209.62
Arkansas 16-27-0 59.3 184 0 32 4-16 116.50
Texas A&M 10-19-1 52.6 158 3 42 2-10 164.06
TOTALS 118-209-10 56.5 1411 7 75 18-118 114.65
#12 Jarrett Lee Comp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic
Vanderbilt 1-1-0 100.0 16 0 16 0-0 234.40
West Virginia 1-1-0 100.0 5 0 5 0-0 142.00
Tennessee 16-23-1 69.6 185 0 47 2-17 128.43
Florida 9-11-0 81.8 124 2 38 0-0 236.51
McNeese St. 9-14-0 64.3 75 0 18 1-7 109.29
Auburn 8-14-0 57.1 43 0 9 1-10 82.94
Alabama 4-7-0 57.1 67 0 47 1-12 137.54
ULM 4-12-0 33.3 44 0 13 1-10 64.13
Ole Miss 1-4-0 25.0 4 0 4 0-0 33.40
Arkansas 1-2-0 50.0 10 0 10 0-0 92.00
TOTALS 54-89-1 60.7 573 2 47 6-56 119.92
Look at the total for efficiency. JL Was better. But I am off this soap box if dumb asses like you can't see that JL is the better QB and JJ is not a thrower it not worth the time. So enjoy the rest of the season.
North Carolina 15-21-1 71.4 151 2 51 1-21 153.73
Vanderbilt 8-20-1 40.0 96 0 24 1-6 70.32
Mississippi State 10-16-0 62.5 97 0 21 1-2 113.43
West Virginia 10-22-2 45.5 75 0 20 2-8 55.91
Tennessee 3-10-2 30.0 30 0 17 0-0 15.20
Florida 7-12-1 58.3 100 0 29 1-8 111.67
McNeese St. 5-8-0 62.5 28 0 15 2-17 91.90
Auburn 7-14-1 50.0 46 0 12 2-15 63.31
Alabama 10-13-0 76.9 141 1 75 0-0 193.42
ULM 4-10-0 40.0 51 0 23 1-6 82.84
Ole Miss 13-17-1 76.5 254 1 40 1-9 209.62
Arkansas 16-27-0 59.3 184 0 32 4-16 116.50
Texas A&M 10-19-1 52.6 158 3 42 2-10 164.06
TOTALS 118-209-10 56.5 1411 7 75 18-118 114.65
#12 Jarrett Lee Comp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Sack-Yds Effic
Vanderbilt 1-1-0 100.0 16 0 16 0-0 234.40
West Virginia 1-1-0 100.0 5 0 5 0-0 142.00
Tennessee 16-23-1 69.6 185 0 47 2-17 128.43
Florida 9-11-0 81.8 124 2 38 0-0 236.51
McNeese St. 9-14-0 64.3 75 0 18 1-7 109.29
Auburn 8-14-0 57.1 43 0 9 1-10 82.94
Alabama 4-7-0 57.1 67 0 47 1-12 137.54
ULM 4-12-0 33.3 44 0 13 1-10 64.13
Ole Miss 1-4-0 25.0 4 0 4 0-0 33.40
Arkansas 1-2-0 50.0 10 0 10 0-0 92.00
TOTALS 54-89-1 60.7 573 2 47 6-56 119.92
Look at the total for efficiency. JL Was better. But I am off this soap box if dumb asses like you can't see that JL is the better QB and JJ is not a thrower it not worth the time. So enjoy the rest of the season.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:24 am to TigerWoody
quote:
Les will start whoever gives us the best shot to win.
As he has been doing all this year and will continue to do so with JLee.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:27 am to USLttarP
I hesitate to comment on the JJ/JL issues, since there often is more heat than light in these threads. But a few comments/observations:
The anti-JJ posters seem to assume that JL would have been as good last year as he has been this year. That may or may not be true, but I distinctly remember JL throwing a pass last year directly to a DB in the end zone. Fortunately, despite getting hit in the chest, the DB dropped the ball. I can remember thinking "shades of 08." There were other times I had my doubts about JL as well during 2010. It may well be that JL's obvious improvements may well be due to the changes in the offensive coaching (Kragthorpe). It is not so clear that JL would have been better overall than JJ's admittedly non-stellar performance. On this point, I am inclined to trust the judgment of Miles and his staff as to which QB gave us a better chance to win then and now. I have always thought that JL had great potential, but somehow he just wasn't finding it. He now seems to coming into his own.
The anti-JJ posters also seem to assume, despite the various reports to the contrary, that JJ isn't similarly capable of making significant improvements. That is as unfair and unjustified as to conclude that JL couldn't improve. Maybe he too has turned the corner under Kragthorpe tutelage. We don't know, and may never know, depending on the outcome of the grand jury proceedings.
In any event, JL will, as he should be, continue to be the starter. He has earned the position, and given that JJ will have missed almost 1/2 the season, at the very least, it would be problematic to put JJ in as the starter. On the other, we could very well need JJ if Lee gets hurt. If JJ has improved (and hasn't regressed too far in his "time out"), we may be very glad he is back on the team (assuming that happens).
If JJ does make it back to the team, I would not assume, without any reason or evidence to do so, that he would be anything other than a team player and a support to his teammates, including JL. To assume he would be divisive is premature and a bit unfair.
I am neither pro-JJ or anti-JJ or pro-JL or anti-JL. I just want the best QB on the field. Both JJ and JL have had plenty of struggles. Both have had some success. Frankly, at times I have thought that we ought to see if we couldn't find a walkon QB to replace both. But I am very pleased with how JL has hung in there, stuck with the team and LSU. Kudos to him and I hope (and believe) that he will have continued success.
I also hope that JJ weathers his storm and can be available to contribute to the team. I see no reason to attack him or belittle him with respect to his efforts on the field. He hasn't been a great QB, but he also is a part of team that went 10-2 last year, had a pretty strong performance in the Cotton Bowl, and for which he deserves at least some credit and respect.
I frankly don't get the hostility toward either QB. They are both Tigers and deserve our support (again assuming that JJ makes it back). I also think the coaching staff deserves a little credit for knowing something about which QB is the better prepared to lead LSU on the field. Since, up until now, both QB had plenty of flaws, and the coaches have more information, etc., I am inclined to trust them, especially because they have earned that trust. Miles does, despite what some have said in the past, seem to know what he is doing.
The anti-JJ posters seem to assume that JL would have been as good last year as he has been this year. That may or may not be true, but I distinctly remember JL throwing a pass last year directly to a DB in the end zone. Fortunately, despite getting hit in the chest, the DB dropped the ball. I can remember thinking "shades of 08." There were other times I had my doubts about JL as well during 2010. It may well be that JL's obvious improvements may well be due to the changes in the offensive coaching (Kragthorpe). It is not so clear that JL would have been better overall than JJ's admittedly non-stellar performance. On this point, I am inclined to trust the judgment of Miles and his staff as to which QB gave us a better chance to win then and now. I have always thought that JL had great potential, but somehow he just wasn't finding it. He now seems to coming into his own.
The anti-JJ posters also seem to assume, despite the various reports to the contrary, that JJ isn't similarly capable of making significant improvements. That is as unfair and unjustified as to conclude that JL couldn't improve. Maybe he too has turned the corner under Kragthorpe tutelage. We don't know, and may never know, depending on the outcome of the grand jury proceedings.
In any event, JL will, as he should be, continue to be the starter. He has earned the position, and given that JJ will have missed almost 1/2 the season, at the very least, it would be problematic to put JJ in as the starter. On the other, we could very well need JJ if Lee gets hurt. If JJ has improved (and hasn't regressed too far in his "time out"), we may be very glad he is back on the team (assuming that happens).
If JJ does make it back to the team, I would not assume, without any reason or evidence to do so, that he would be anything other than a team player and a support to his teammates, including JL. To assume he would be divisive is premature and a bit unfair.
I am neither pro-JJ or anti-JJ or pro-JL or anti-JL. I just want the best QB on the field. Both JJ and JL have had plenty of struggles. Both have had some success. Frankly, at times I have thought that we ought to see if we couldn't find a walkon QB to replace both. But I am very pleased with how JL has hung in there, stuck with the team and LSU. Kudos to him and I hope (and believe) that he will have continued success.
I also hope that JJ weathers his storm and can be available to contribute to the team. I see no reason to attack him or belittle him with respect to his efforts on the field. He hasn't been a great QB, but he also is a part of team that went 10-2 last year, had a pretty strong performance in the Cotton Bowl, and for which he deserves at least some credit and respect.
I frankly don't get the hostility toward either QB. They are both Tigers and deserve our support (again assuming that JJ makes it back). I also think the coaching staff deserves a little credit for knowing something about which QB is the better prepared to lead LSU on the field. Since, up until now, both QB had plenty of flaws, and the coaches have more information, etc., I am inclined to trust them, especially because they have earned that trust. Miles does, despite what some have said in the past, seem to know what he is doing.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 9:30 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:27 am to Chazz Reinhold
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I say let him play a few snaps against WKU so he can't redshirt and haunt us next year.
this
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:30 am to tigerinridgeland
You hit the nail on the head dude.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:31 am to Chazz Reinhold
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I say leg him play a few snaps against WKU so he can't redshirt and haunt us next year.
:kige:
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:31 am to TIGRLEE
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As he has been doing all this year and will continue to do so with JLee.
as he's done since 2005
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:31 am to TexasSinger
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Les has told JJ he is getting a Redshirt if/when he comes back. This way, Lee isn't looking over his shoulder. There isn't any division drawn between the team. JJ gets to practice and get reps. And if Lee goes down with an injury, JJ can still be inserted. Seems this plan would eliminate any gray area. Lee knows his role. JJ knows his role. Team knows the roles. Keep this team on its current path for victory.
This is the correct answer.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:33 am to tigerinridgeland
quote:
I hesitate to comment on the JJ/JL issues, since there often is more heat than light in these threads. But a few comments/observations:
The anti-JJ posters seem to assume that JL would have been as good last year as he has been this year. That may or may not be true, but I distinctly remember JL throwing a pass last year directly to a DB in the end zone. Fortunately, despite getting hit in the chest, the DB dropped the ball. I can remember thinking "shades of 08." There were other times I had my doubts about JL as well during 2010. It may well be that JL's obvious improvements may well be due to the changes in the offensive coaching (Kragthorpe). It is not so clear that JL would have been better overall than JJ's admittedly non-stellar performance. On this point, I am inclined to trust the judgment of Miles and his staff as to which QB gave us a better chance to win then and now. I have always thought that JL had great potential, but somehow he just wasn't finding it. He now seems to coming into his own.
The anti-JJ posters also seem to assume, despite the various reports to the contrary, that JJ isn't similarly capable of making significant improvements. That is as unfair and unjustified as to conclude that JL couldn't improve. Maybe he too has turned the corner under Kragthorpe tutelage. We don't know, and may never know, depending on the outcome of the grand jury proceedings.
In any event, JL will, as he should be, continue to be the starter. He has earned the position, and given that JJ will have missed almost 1/2 the season, at the very least, it would be problematic to put JJ in as the starter. On the other, we could very well need JJ if Lee gets hurt. If JJ has improved (and hasn't regressed too far in his "time out"), we may be very glad he is back on the team (assuming that happens).
If JJ does make it back to the team, I would not assume, without any reason or evidence to do so, that he would be anything other than a team player and a support to his teammates, including JL. To assume he would be divisive is premature and a bit unfair.
I am neither pro-JJ or anti-JJ or pro-JL or anti-JL. I just want the best QB on the field. Both JJ and JL have had plenty of struggles. Both have had some success. Frankly, at times I have thought that we ought to see if we couldn't find a walkon QB to replace both. But I am very pleased with how JL has hung in there, stuck with the team and LSU. Kudos to him and I hope (and believe) that he will have continued success.
I also hope that JJ weathers his storm and can be available to contribute to the team. I see no reason to attack him or belittle him with respect to his efforts on the field. He hasn't been a great QB, but he also is a part of team that went 10-2 last year, had a pretty strong performance in the Cotton Bowl, and for which he deserves at least some credit and respect.
I frankly don't get the hostility toward either QB. They are both Tigers and deserve our support (again assuming that JJ makes it back). I also think the coaching staff deserves a little credit for knowing something about which QB is the better prepared to lead LSU on the field. Since, up until now, both QB had plenty of flaws, and the coaches have more information, etc., I am inclined to trust them, especially because they have earned that trust. Miles does, despite what some have said in the past, seem to know what he is doing.
This is by far the best post in this thread and on this board today. I agree with every word of it.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:33 am to USLttarP
quote:
I guess they don't call him the wizard for nothing.This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:35 am to TIGRLEE
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As he has been doing during his entire tenure and will continue to do so with JLee.
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