For those wanting Cristobal can you explain why?

Yeah I don't want him. I think he's better than o but essentially has all the same problems

I am guilty. I just did not know enough. Please list the ones you light>

I think it’s anyone but O at this point

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I'm torn

And you are correct the field of coaches this year, I personally think sucks.

With cristobal you get guaranteed good recruiting but the coordinator issue. I argued with you about Napier earlier but I might consider him over cristobal simply because he can call plays and he has experience adjusting (I'm also going out on a limb to say Louisiana recruits itself so maybe billy wouldn't need to be some all star on the trail)

Pros and cons for everyone.

Woodward has his work cut out for him that's for sure.

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well its not that i dont agree with you....there is not a huge homerun hire at a p5 program you can just go grab. Personally i feel Napier is the best hire but overall a ew choices to choose from unless you want to go after an unknown or the current flash in the pan. I prefer to go after the program builders that build to a peak, punch above their weight in team talent and overall build that team talent up vs prior to their arrival.

the list has to be the 4 below plus Fickell but Fickell literally has never left Ohio. I dont think Gundy is an option. He would be way down the list to me. I mean you have to start with Meyer but i am assuming he is out adn only places he would go would be ND or USC. I assume you dont want anyone with a hint of Title IX issues so Franklin, Freeze, Kiffen, Briles are out. Patterson hasnt maintained TCU and essentially has gotten passed by. Unless you want to go NFL coordinator or I guess you could throw Kstate coach, Louisville coach and mike norvell...oh and coastal carolinas coach in but imo the group below is a step up from all of those.

So who the hell else you gonna go get?

As far as recruiting goes...Cristobal, Fleck and Napier are all big recruiters. Cristobal is the best at that having learned from Saban but Napier isnt far behind having learned from Saban and Dabo.

Pj Fleck- tons of potential but has never been out of midwest. big recruiter but his shite can get old with the Rah Rah shite. Has his own offense and has shown he will adjust based off personel. has pro expierence and did coach in Tampa but in general all his expierence is in upper MW. Slowly built the program at every stop. He has consistently punched above his weight as far as team talent goes.

Campbell- seems to be very good motivator and has 2 years as OC, but not the best recruiter. the ISU job is his first time leaving the state of ohio. But, like Fleck, everywhere he has been he has improved the program over time. Consistently finishes way above team talent ranking.


Cristobal- huge recruiter, oregon was 5th in team talent when he took over and he has them 1st in conference now. Had zero 5 star players and now has 4, took 4 star count and more than doubled it to 44 now. Total went from 25th most talent to 9th. has a offensive system he likes but is a little heavy on coordinator dependency. Loses some games he shouldnt based off team talent, but overall would be a big time hire. Proven winner at FIU and got let go for 1 donw year. Not even sure he is available as he has everything he wants at oregon.

Napier- Has a Offensive system. Spread run, similar to chip kelly but some of that is more the Qbs he has had. Very balanced. Good recruiter and knows the state. Known for being obsesed, like saban and dabo(his mentors), with covering every small detail.

ULL team talent rankings, remember coming off 3 losing seasons under hud and probation/vacated wins

2017(pre napier)- 7th in conf. 54 commits, 15 3 stars, 329pts

2018- 5th in conf. 53 commits, 2 4 stars, 18 3 stars. 376pts

2019- 4th in conf. 68 commits, 3 4 stars, 19 3 stars 406pts

2020- 2nd in conf 64 commits, 2 4 stars, 36 3 stars, 454 pts

2021- 5th in conf. 52 commits, 2 4 stars, 32 3 stars 438pts


so what do we see, outside of 2021 where it dropped a little, we see constant recruiting success and constant building of the roster methodically. For the most part winning against all the teams you out talent and winning against 50/50 or so against teams that out talent you.

that is the sign of a good coach, good program builder.

First year in conf he went 4 and 0 against team with more talent in conf. lost to app state twice and troy who both had less talent, although app state had full roster. also lost to bama and MSU.

2nd season- lost to Miss State 38-28 then to app state twice who had way more talent. 2-3 against more talented teams ( all losses). 7-0 against teams they are more talented than

3rd season- only lost to coastal carolina 30-27. 2 and 0 against teams that were more talented. 7-1 against teams they were more talented then.

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do you think having to recruit kids to Ames, Iowa might have something to do with his recruiting rankings?

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no doubt, but do you think that maybe he could improve them some.

in 2015 they were 8th in conf with a 82.3 average and 529.12 points. In 2020 he is still 8th in the conference and only 84.44 average and 602 points. his most talented team is this year at 6th in the conference and at 85 average and 613 points.

I mean its some improvement but not much. Do you think its harder to recruit to Ames than it is stillwater or lubbock or the morgantown?

There is no steady building of the roster. But i mean he is a good coach and does beat a bunch of teams more talented than them but to have the type of success we expect or even that Ed O has expierenced you have to recruit at a high level on top of being a good coach.

I would say Ames is probably a little tougher to recruit to than the others for the weather alone. I actually think he's done an exceptional job recruiting at ISU. you know you're not going to get the best there, so you have to look for players that fit and can be developed regardless of rankings or stars

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I would say Ames is probably a little tougher to recruit to than the others for the weather alone. I actually think he's done an exceptional job recruiting at ISU. you know you're not going to get the best there, so you have to look for players that fit and can be developed regardless of rankings or stars

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i think he has done a great job coaching, he has recruited at the same level they have always recruited at though. Iowa recruits in the same state at a much higher level.

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so who are these NC level coaches licking their chops that are more qualified than the 4 mentioned. Fickell maybe?

who else?

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Did you know that every head coach in LSU history to win a national championship had never done it before they came to LSU?

I get your argument but it is not relevant. We do not need Saban, Urban, Dabo, Petersen to win national championships (see retard Les and retard O) and build and sustain this massive program. There isn't a college football bible that says those are the only people that can help you reach your goals.

As I've said, 2 retards in a row have won here at LSU. We can get a new coach and win a championship you know. Every coach in the nation barring maybe 5 (Saban, Day, Riley, Dabo, Jimbo) would look at this job as a place where they can win big.