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re: For the people saying Crowton sucks...
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:10 am to GeorgeLSU
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:10 am to GeorgeLSU
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I hope you realize, he is not the person calling the plays. Miles is. Les also called the plays last year.
You honestly cnt be that stupid. Why would he be with the program if les called the plays last year and this year? They're just paying him to watch the game? Makes no sense. Now Crowton probly designed the play book which sux and if for some reason les really is calling the plays he needs to be fired with crowton
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Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:12 am to GeorgeLSU
If Miles is putting Crowton in a box then more power to him because Crowton sucks. If he could develop a QB then Miles wouldn't have to put him in a box and over simplify the offense. The only problem with the playcalling is the insistence on running the option with Jefferson.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:13 am to GeorgeLSU
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Can you honestly say this is the same style of play calling we had a few years back? Definitely not to me regardless of who the QB is.
Jesus Christ.
Miles was accused of calling the plays under Fisher. We ran everything out of a prostyle formation. Now, he's being accused of calling plays for Crowton and we run 90% of our plays from a Spread Option formation.
So is Miles just ridiculously well versed in every type of offense and, despite being the most stubborn person on the planet, just decided to move to a spread offense in 2008?
Did anyone watch the offense he ran at Oklahoma State? It looked nothing like this. It was a pro-style offense.
In 2005, 2006, and 2007 - prostyle offense.
On the other hand, this offense mirrors the offense Crowton ran at BYU and Oregon in 2006 (when their offense imploded at the end of the season).
Either Crowton is still in charge of this offense, or this is the biggest coincidence in the history of college football.
Miles has override authority and will call plays in certain situations, but he doesn't direct the scheme that is run, doesn't prepare the game plan, and doesn't decide the scripted plays that go on the coaching cards.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:14 am to TheFranchise
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The offense of the last two years does not even resemble anything that Crowton has done in his first years here, at Oregon, at the Bears, at BYU nor at LA Tech.
You can't be serious.
It looks the exact same.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:16 am to MOT
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If (Crowton) could develop a QB
What makes you think this is possible? Or that this lands solely on Crowton's shoulders? This may not happen, but what if JL comes in and lights it up? Then Crowton CAN develop QBs? It's all about the ability to improve. Unfortunately JJ has met his potential. He would be a descent QB in the Sun Belt or CUSA, not better than descent.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:17 am to GeorgeLSU
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I hope you realize, he is not the person calling the plays. Miles is. Les also called the plays last year.
I think my favorite thing about the Rant is when people make authoritative sounding statements based on absolutely nothing.
This is just factually wrong. Per an LSU coach, Crowton makes all the playcalls. You are just 100% incorrect.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:19 am to Antonio Moss
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You can't be serious.
It looks the exact same.
Not exactly, but it is still his offense with a strong emphasis on the running game.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:19 am to TheBaker
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Mike Bellotti (former longtime Oregon HC) recently said on ESPN that he coached with Crowton at Oregon and what he sees at LSU is NOT a Gary Crowton offense. this garbage arse "O" at LSU has Les Miles written all over it. BTW, I don't have a link.
It would be like thinking Muschamp was running the D when Saban was here. He may have been the official D coordinator but Saban ran the D. We were having the same conversation when Fisher was here.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:20 am to Antonio Moss
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You can't be serious.
It looks the exact same.
No, it doesn't. The formations are the same...maybe that's what you're thinking of.
But, this isn't the same offense. Anybody who knows anything about football can tell you that.
Like I said before, I think Miles puts his fingers on the playbook, him and Crowton go through the plays they think JJ can execute (which isn't much and seems to dwindle by the week), and that's that. If you think this is the same offense being run with Matt Flynn at the helm, you're sadly mistaken.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:21 am to deSandman
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This is just factually wrong. Per an LSU coach, Crowton makes all the playcalls. You are just 100% incorrect.
Per an LSU coach, you're entirely wrong.
See what I did there?
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:22 am to DoubleDeuce
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Not exactly, but it is still his offense with a strong emphasis on the running game.
I'm focusing more on the passing game. The "i" formation (that actually works) is product of Miles' influence.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:22 am to DoubleDeuce
It's on Crowton's shoulders because he is the QB coach, pretty simple. Miles has mismanaged the roster at the position and it only compounds the problem. Nobody expects Lee to come in and light it up, he won't, but they just want to see if he could possibly be better than Jefferson because it wouldn't take much. If Crowton could coach a QB then Jefferson's mechanics wouldn't be so terrible after he has been here for three seasons.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:24 am to GeorgeLSU
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This.
Can you honestly say this is the same style of play calling we had a few years back? Definitely not to me regardless of who the QB is.
Did Miles step in at Oregon when their offense went to shite.
How about BYU...did he get ol Crowton then?
Or even Chicago, I know it was hard...but he punked Gary there too...right?
This is the Crowton offense...it was hard to defend when he was at Tech. That is about it.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:25 am to jdrumdog
Does anyone think that if they decided that JJ was going to be the QB, that it was smart to cut the playbook down and only allow JJ throw under 20 passes a game?
I'm not supporting JJ as a QB, but I am supporting how they are calling the plays when he is in at QB.
I'm not supporting JJ as a QB, but I am supporting how they are calling the plays when he is in at QB.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:25 am to jdrumdog
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No, it doesn't. The formations are the same...maybe that's what you're thinking of.
You apparently didn't watch football prior to 2007. This is what BYU looked like with Crowton. Oregon was a little different because of Bellotti's running style, but the passing scheme was strikingly similar.
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Like I said before, I think Miles puts his fingers on the playbook, him and Crowton go through the plays they think JJ can execute (which isn't much and seems to dwindle by the week), and that's that. If you think this is the same offense being run with Matt Flynn at the helm, you're sadly mistaken.
That's because it isn't. We didn't run Crowton's offense in 2007. We ran the same offense we ran in 2005 and 2006. This has been discussed a hundred times on this board.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:26 am to TheFranchise
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What do you have to controvert this? Nothing.
The only thing these people have to controvert is their unabashed loyalty towards Miles and their fake belief that if he only got rid of Crowton we'd be world beaters on offense.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:27 am to deSandman
Per players and on field managers you are entirely wrong.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:27 am to DoubleDeuce
Like I said above, they are absolutely calling games (outside of the option) the way it should be called with Jefferson.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:27 am to jdrumdog
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If you think this is the same offense being run with Matt Flynn at the helm, you're sadly mistaken.
Didn't Crowton keep a lot of Fisher's playbook for that season, and only added a few of the elements he liked to run?
Pretty sure he did that because he had a senior QB that was brought up in the previous system with a butt load of talent. I could be wrong though. It's been all his plays since 2008.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 11:29 am to GeorgeLSU
I don't give a frick who is calling the plays get him the frick out of here... Chavis has been here 1&1/2 years he doesn't have a problem developing his players and establishing the defense
You prove you don't know what you are talking about in the OP, but here's another little tidbit for ya... The offensive coordinator does more than just call plays. You think chavis just draws up a playbook all day in practice?
You prove you don't know what you are talking about in the OP, but here's another little tidbit for ya... The offensive coordinator does more than just call plays. You think chavis just draws up a playbook all day in practice?
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