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For everyone calling for Lee or Shepard to play...........
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:05 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:05 am
I was one of Jarret Lee's biggest defenders last year. I think he got the all time bad rap because he took the blame for making mistakes when no one was helping him to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. He kept being put in the same position over and over where he was set up to fail.
So now, after it appears that the same thing is happening with JJ, why does anyone think it will be any different with Lee?
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter who our QB is if the play calling isn't putting that player in positions that he is comfortable with and running plays that he is able to execute.
So everyone needs to get off of JJ, a very talented QB with a lot of potential who is clearly regressing before our eyes from the playmaker he appeared to be last year.
So now, after it appears that the same thing is happening with JJ, why does anyone think it will be any different with Lee?
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter who our QB is if the play calling isn't putting that player in positions that he is comfortable with and running plays that he is able to execute.
So everyone needs to get off of JJ, a very talented QB with a lot of potential who is clearly regressing before our eyes from the playmaker he appeared to be last year.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:22 am to Tiger Voodoo
PUT IN LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU KNOW NOTHING AND I KNOW EVERYTHING!
YOU KNOW NOTHING AND I KNOW EVERYTHING!
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:25 am to Tiger Voodoo
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This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:29 am to msutiger
The problem is the OL first and Crowton's inability to work around that problem and the fact that Jefferson is still learning like every other QB on the roster would be doing. But Jefferson is the best QB right now and he should play the entire game excepting the few Wild Tiger plays of course.
These games have been too close to experiment. LSU has won every game they were supposed to win. Thanks but no thanks on going Doctor Frankenstein and experimenting at a position that is NOT the main problem on offense to begin with. BTW, since Scott and Williams are not averaging a bunch of yards per carry, should Ridley now play a lot?
Slight addition: LSU has not only won all the games they were supposed to win but also the Georgia game in which GA was a 3 point favorite.
These games have been too close to experiment. LSU has won every game they were supposed to win. Thanks but no thanks on going Doctor Frankenstein and experimenting at a position that is NOT the main problem on offense to begin with. BTW, since Scott and Williams are not averaging a bunch of yards per carry, should Ridley now play a lot?
Slight addition: LSU has not only won all the games they were supposed to win but also the Georgia game in which GA was a 3 point favorite.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 11:31 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:31 am to lsutigerbrian
I seem to agree here...JJ half the time looks confused when he looks over to the sideline for the play. The same as last year. I say let them make a play call once in a while, maybe it will cut down on the confusion. He is not 100% ready to make all the calls, but give him an opportunity
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:35 am to Tomm
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But Jefferson is the best QB right now and he should play the entire game
You know this to be a fact? Who knows what Lee would do until we give him a shot.
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These games have been too close to experiment.
A stagnant offense that cant move the ball is why the games are close. Lee took his lumps last year. Hes got experiance. Mathew Stafford was just as bad if not worse then Lee his frosh year so was Colt Mccoy. Regardless of what Rantards say a QB can improve.
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position that is NOT the main problem on offense
Yeah cause holding the ball and taking 11 sacks in 2 games as a "mobile QB" while staring at 1 receiver when the other 3 are open isnt the problem?
Try watching the games next time.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:45 am to DaemeinLSU
Htach and Lee took turns. I see no reason for that not to be happening when we are twice as bad this year sticking with one guy.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:23 pm to RobbBobb
I just don't get why this is so hard to understand. It's not "the guy" under center that is the problem, just like it wasn't "the guy" last year either.
Both quarterbacks regressed as the season went on under the offensive gameplan. The coaches, whoever you believe is calling the plays (it's Crowton), are to blame for not identifying the things that our players can do well.
The biggest problem with Lee is, and I've already said I liked him more than 99% of the people on this board last year, is that he is not mobile.
Putting him in right now with our OL playing as bad as they are would be asking for more trouble for the guy IMO.
Both quarterbacks regressed as the season went on under the offensive gameplan. The coaches, whoever you believe is calling the plays (it's Crowton), are to blame for not identifying the things that our players can do well.
The biggest problem with Lee is, and I've already said I liked him more than 99% of the people on this board last year, is that he is not mobile.
Putting him in right now with our OL playing as bad as they are would be asking for more trouble for the guy IMO.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:24 pm to DaemeinLSU
"Mathew Stafford was just as bad if not worse then Lee his frosh year so was Colt Mccoy"
What are you talking about? McCoy was outstanding his freshman year.
What are you talking about? McCoy was outstanding his freshman year.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:38 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I was one of Jarret Lee's biggest defenders last year. I think he got the all time bad rap because he took the blame for making mistakes when no one was helping him to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. He kept being put in the same position over and over where he was set up to fail.
So now, after it appears that the same thing is happening with JJ, why does anyone think it will be any different with Lee?
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter who our QB is if the play calling isn't putting that player in positions that he is comfortable with and running plays that he is able to execute.
I will openly admit I was calling to crucify Lee last year. Looking back, I think some of it was that our defense put him in positions AT TIMES to where he felt like he had to force something. I think Lee, with this year's D, would feel more like he could just play and not have to create something out of nothing. Do I think now that he's the answer? No. Do I think his int's get cut in half? Yes. He could be a spark for the offense, or he oculd be more of the same. As much as I hated him last year, he deserves another shot more than our other qb's
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:39 pm to Dignan
Maybe it's just me but I thought that JL looked as nervous as a whore in church the two times he's been in. He succeeded those times but each were very basic quick plays.
But who knows what would happen with him taking 3-4 step drops from under center rather than from the 'gun and throwing quick slants and screens, etc. with an occasional deep ball which he throws extremely well.
I know those are the plays that caused so much trouble for him last year but it would only take one or two series to find out if he's improved or not.
If we're going to continue to run the option, it needs to be done by RS exclusively. Done properly with TH or KW, who gives a rats arse if the d knows it's coming? What better element of surprise would there be with the d never knowing if he's going to pass off it?
But who knows what would happen with him taking 3-4 step drops from under center rather than from the 'gun and throwing quick slants and screens, etc. with an occasional deep ball which he throws extremely well.
I know those are the plays that caused so much trouble for him last year but it would only take one or two series to find out if he's improved or not.
If we're going to continue to run the option, it needs to be done by RS exclusively. Done properly with TH or KW, who gives a rats arse if the d knows it's coming? What better element of surprise would there be with the d never knowing if he's going to pass off it?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:39 pm to ellis mike the tiger
Lee beat AU last year.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:41 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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So now, after it appears that the same thing is happening with JJ, why does anyone think it will be any different with Lee?
It's not the same thing though. An anomalous amount of pick 6's that still scored a lot for us is not the same of the anemic offense we have now. I'd rather take my chances that Lee has gotten better, because it is clear that JJ is not getting it done at all.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:47 pm to AlanRainman
Your point being ?
The kid had some sucess last year. The problem was his mistakes, though not all completely on him, overshadowed them.
Personally I think the kid should play a few series just to see what he can do. I've never been a fan of a coach sticking with a starter no matter what. Everybody has an off day and no matter how hard they try, they just can't get it done. If one thing ain't working, try somethin' else!
The kid had some sucess last year. The problem was his mistakes, though not all completely on him, overshadowed them.
Personally I think the kid should play a few series just to see what he can do. I've never been a fan of a coach sticking with a starter no matter what. Everybody has an off day and no matter how hard they try, they just can't get it done. If one thing ain't working, try somethin' else!
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:51 pm to LNCHBOX
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If we're going to continue to run the option, it needs to be done by RS exclusively.
Oh I agree 100%. I think JJ has done very well given the circumstances. However, it is clear he is not an option QB. I think he's much more effective as a runner in bootleg situations when he has a run/pass option instead of the run/pitch option. He just doesn't know how to execute it properly. Take it out.
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It's not the same thing though. An anomalous amount of pick 6's that still scored a lot for us is not the same of the anemic offense we have now. I'd rather take my chances that Lee has gotten better, because it is clear that JJ is not getting it done at all.
Why do I even bother?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:56 pm to Tiger Voodoo
So please enlighten me on how JJ is getting it done. Please. JL has earned a shot. Just a shot.
OR we can continue the season without scoring another TD is SEC play.
OR we can continue the season without scoring another TD is SEC play.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:01 pm to Tomm
Lees stats at Florida last year were pretty good. comp-att-int pct yards long td sacks effic 23 -38- 2 60.5 209 24 2 2-15 113.57 That is a lot better than this year.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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So please enlighten me on how JJ is getting it done
Let me see if I can make this easier to understand:
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I was one of Jarret Lee's biggest defenders last year. I think he got the all time bad rap because he took the blame for making mistakes when no one was helping him to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. He kept being put in the same position over and over where he was set up to fail.
So now, after it appears the same thing is happening with JJ, why does anyone think it will be any different with Lee?
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter who our QB is if the play calling isn't putting that player in positions that he is comfortable with and running plays that he is able to execute.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
So you're telling me that going from a decent offense that put points on the board, albeit with turnovers, is the same thing as an anemic offense that can't put points on the board?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:10 pm to LNCHBOX
LNCHBOX, why do you even bother?
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