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re: For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:00 am to monsterballads
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:00 am to monsterballads
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so paul has no faith in bouman, but all the faith in mccune. I'm just baffled, honestly.
You are talking in extremes. Of course CPM has faith in both pitchers. Obviously he felt McCune gave lsu a better chance.
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:01 am to PurpleAndGold86
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His stuff. Plain and simple. There are very few guys that go out there and top out at 83 or 84 MPH and become DOMINANT pitchers that can successfully mow hitters down for 8 or 9 innings. It just doesn't happen very often.
I agree, but when a guy is cruising like bauman was you don't yank him just because the lineup was turning over. He was in the zone Sunday and the way e was pitching he may have gone one more inning, possibly even two more. He deserved the chance to put the ball in broussards hand himself.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:02 am to monsterballads
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so paul has no faith in bouman, but all the faith in mccune.
You are saying you understand the thought process, so you have to understand this. McCune was facing the hitters for the FIRST time, not the third time.
No one said PM doesn't have faith in Bouman. Bouman did GREAT. He just didn't have confidence in him going through the lineup three times. That's all.
Once we expanded our lead to four runs, I think PM got comfortable that McCune would be able to get through the 8th inning with a lead to get the ball to Broussard.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:02 am to Golfer
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The only decision I take any issue with is not putting Broussard in with 1 out and 2 on in the 8th.
I can get over bouman being pulled and mccune going in for the 7th inning, but yeah, him going back out for the 8th makes NO sense with all the pitchers sitting on the bench that are better than mccune.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:04 am to UpToPar
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Obviously he felt McCune gave lsu a better chance.
mccune has had fans nervous for years EVERYTIME he comes in. I don't want to bag on him, but damn... he was constantly giving up leads...
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:05 am to PurpleAndGold86
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McCune was facing the hitters for the FIRST time, not the third time.
and got shelled in the second inning he pitched in
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:05 am to PurpleAndGold86
Again, CPM going with statistics, and not gut feeling. He's going with what has been done in the past, as to, WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:05 am to monsterballads
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and got shelled in the second inning he pitched in
Yup!
He shouldn't have been in in the 8th.
Sounds like we are getting on the same page now
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:07 am to VernonPLSUfan
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CPM going with statistics
Saying that you and your pitching coach (that is one of the best in the entire country) don't feel comfortable with your soft tossing lefty who doesn't miss any bats pitching to a decent lineup for the third time has NOTHING to do with statistics.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:07 am to monsterballads
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mccune has had fans nervous for years EVERYTIME he comes in. I don't want to bag on him, but damn... he was constantly giving up leads...
He literally pitched two shut out innings less than a week ago to close out the sEC championship game. He stepped up huge when Broussard lost his confidence for a bit.
Mccunes career was up and down, but aside from a few games he was pretty consistent this year and one of our best out the pen. Unfortunately, he was not at his best when it counted the most.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:10 am to PurpleAndGold86
my point is why not let him go until he gives up a hit or walks someone?
he gave up 2 hits in 6 innings. at least let him go until he makes a mistake.
if he goes to the end of the 7th and throws 4 balls, ok! let's put someone else in.
PM went away from his gut and tried to stick with numbers. sometimes statistics don't tell the whole story.
he gave up 2 hits in 6 innings. at least let him go until he makes a mistake.
if he goes to the end of the 7th and throws 4 balls, ok! let's put someone else in.
PM went away from his gut and tried to stick with numbers. sometimes statistics don't tell the whole story.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:13 am to mylsuhat
Bottom line... Don't fix what isn't broken.
When it comes to managing the mound, CPM is one ditch to the other. He's still a great coach, we still have a stellar program and we are still LSU...stop all the whining.
When it comes to managing the mound, CPM is one ditch to the other. He's still a great coach, we still have a stellar program and we are still LSU...stop all the whining.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:13 am to ccomeaux
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Don't fix what isn't broken.
it's honestly THAT simple.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:14 am to monsterballads
Because the score was 1-0 when he took him out.
If you aren't comfortable with your guy going through a lineup 3 times because of the stuff he has based on you and your pitching coach's evaluation of the kid why would you risk running him out there in a 1-0 game when you have full confidence in your bullpen? He wasn't basing this decision on numbers or stats. He was simply basing it on his comfort level with his pitcher trying to navigate his way through a lineup three times. That decision is based on his repertoire, not stats.
PM was going to go McCune in the 7th. I guarantee you McCune would not have come back out for the 8th inning had we not scored all of those runs and made it a 4-0 game.
It is unfortunate if that is the case and he strayed away from taking McCune out of the game.
If you aren't comfortable with your guy going through a lineup 3 times because of the stuff he has based on you and your pitching coach's evaluation of the kid why would you risk running him out there in a 1-0 game when you have full confidence in your bullpen? He wasn't basing this decision on numbers or stats. He was simply basing it on his comfort level with his pitcher trying to navigate his way through a lineup three times. That decision is based on his repertoire, not stats.
PM was going to go McCune in the 7th. I guarantee you McCune would not have come back out for the 8th inning had we not scored all of those runs and made it a 4-0 game.
It is unfortunate if that is the case and he strayed away from taking McCune out of the game.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:16 am to UpToPar
Late to the party here, but he should have stuck with Bouman. He was keeping their lefties in check, and the right handed switch hitters weren't getting good swings. Should have rode him until the wheels came off.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:17 am to monsterballads
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it's honestly THAT simple.
Is it though? That means that it was the right decision to send Cune back out in the 8th.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:17 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Saying that you and your pitching coach (that is one of the best in the entire country) don't feel comfortable with your soft tossing lefty who doesn't miss any bats pitching to a decent lineup for the third time has NOTHING to do with statistics.
This is actually my point. CPM over analyzed the situation and made a bad decision because of it. Rather than riding the hot hand and having someone in the pen ready to go in at the first sign of trouble he panicked a bit. Micromanaging is necessary in today's game but if you overdue it you will cost yourself a W more often than not.
ETA: there's a very fine line between micromanagement and panicked/rash decisions when the pressure is on. CPM was on the wrong side of that line Sunday night.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:18 am to PurpleAndGold86
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That decision is based on his repertoire, not stats.
what about basing it on the game that was currently being played?
if i've learned anything with college baseball, you have to coach in the moment. it DOES have a lot to do with feel. I understand he didn't want him to go through the lineup three times, and that was probably already planned before the game... but 6 innings of shut out, 62 pitch 2 hit ball was not expected IMO. should have seen what the kid could do IMO
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:19 am to Lester Earl
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Should have rode him until the wheels came off.
agreed, or at least until he made ONE mistake...
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:19 am to RB10
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he panicked a bit
He didn't panic at all. He was comfortable with what Bouman did and was comfortable with what he thought his bullpen would do.
If you aren't comfortable with Bouman facing a lineup 3 times, why run him out there in the 7th inning when you have a loaded bullpen that has EVERYONE available?
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