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Posted on 4/21/09 at 5:33 pm to TheDoc
quote:Yet another thing I never said (you sure have this straw man thing down pat).
yeah man, I'm a white guy who just hates white people...
What I've said is that your posts contain an irrational inclination to see people by their race rather than as people. Thus, whenever someone has an opinion that you believe is irrationally negative about a black player, that opinion must necessarily be racist. And that inclination is itself racist. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, research a bit on the philosophy and psychology of racism.
Posted on 4/21/09 at 11:00 pm to AlexLSU
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Jamarcus - 3,129 yards
Flynn - 2,407 yards
Jamarcus - 28 TDs (tied for LSU record)
Flynn - 21 TDs (not tied for LSU record)
The reason I didnt post individual stats is because Flynn had to sit 2 games due to injury (Mid TN, and TN). If you take away JRs avg yds x 2 games = 2647. Also, take away his TD avg x 2 games = 23 TDs. Not that big enough difference, especially when you look at the following that you provided (which pretty much made my point).
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Jamacus - Sacked 16 times
Flynn - Sacked 26 times
Jamarcus - Faced 4 top 10 teams (all on the road) and BCS game against ND
Flynn - Faced 3 top 10 teams (#1, OSU #9 UF/VT) both at home
Jamarcus - Lost two games (@ national champ UF, @ top 10 AU)
Flynn - Lost two games (@ #17 UK (Who 06 LSU beat 49-0), vs unranked Ark)
JR had a better OLine, had better skill players, and a better defense. When JR lost it was solely a lack of offensive production, 3 pts vs Aub, and 10 pts vs. Fla. When Flynn lost it was solely on a defense that gave up 43 vs. KY, and 50 vs Ark. Flynn did FAR more to win the games LSU lost, than JR did in his losses.
JR; in loses
Aub: 20-35 269yds 0TD 0int, 2 fumbles
Fl: 24-41 228yds 1TD 3int, 1 fumble
Tot: 44-76 497yds 1TD 3int, 3 fumbles
Flynn; in losses
KY: 17-35 130yds 1TD 1int, 0 fumbles
Ark: 22-47 209yds 3TD 0int, 0 fumbles
Tot: 39-82 339yds 4TD 1 int, 0 fumbles
The only way to deny those facts is to admit to a bias.
Posted on 4/21/09 at 11:06 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
The reason I didnt post individual stats is because Flynn had to sit 2 games due to injury (Mid TN, and TN). If you take away JRs avg yds x 2 games = 2647. Also, take away his TD avg x 2 games = 23 TDs. Not that big enough difference, especially when you look at the following that you provided (which pretty much made my point).
variance in passes attempted is why completion percentage, yards per attempt, and TD/INT ratio are the best performance metrics. i know you won't post those though because they kill your argument
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:58 am to RobbBobb
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The reason I didnt post individual stats is because Flynn had to sit 2 games due to injury (Mid TN, and TN). If you take away JRs avg yds x 2 games = 2647. Also, take away his TD avg x 2 games = 23 TDs. Not that big enough difference, especially when you look at the following that you provided (which pretty much made my point).
Did you also take into account that JR's team went 11-2, thus played one less game than MF's? That's a one game difference when you take into account the games Flynn sat.
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JR; in loses
Aub: 20-35 269yds 0TD 0int, 2 fumbles
Fl: 24-41 228yds 1TD 3int, 1 fumble
Tot: 44-76 497yds 1TD 3int, 3 fumbles
Hmmm, two top 10 teams on the road, one of which was the nation champion, the other of which was the only team to beat the national champion.
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Flynn; in losses
KY: 17-35 130yds 1TD 1int, 0 fumbles
Ark: 22-47 209yds 3TD 0int, 0 fumbles
Tot: 39-82 339yds 4TD 1 int, 0 fumbles
Hmmm, a team that JR and LSU beat 49-0 the year before, and an average, unranked team that JR and LSU beat the year before (who as at top 10 team).
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The only way to deny those facts is to admit to a bias.
Or, you could realize what I said above, which anyone with any intelligence will admit.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:23 am to RobbBobb
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The reason I didnt post individual stats is because Flynn had to sit 2 games due to injury (Mid TN, and TN). If you take away JRs avg yds x 2 games = 2647. Also, take away his TD avg x 2 games = 23 TDs. Not that big enough difference, especially when you look at the following that you provided (which pretty much made my point).
well you gave Flynn an extra game, great math
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:36 am to Slinger16
I love all 4 of these Tigers. All 4 have contributed in different ways to making LSU a National Power.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:53 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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Hmmm, a team that JR and LSU beat 49-0 the year before, and an average, unranked team that JR and LSU beat the year before (who as at top 10 team).
Flynn beat both teams in 07 that JR lost to in 06 which means absolutely nothing just like your argument because it was two different fricking years.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:58 am to TigerNlc
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there are some that aren't objective at all, and like one player over another because of skin color, not talent.
I hope you know this works both ways.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:29 am to RobbBobb
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The reason I didnt post individual stats is because Flynn had to sit 2 games due to injury (Mid TN, and TN). If you take away JRs avg yds x 2 games = 2647. Also, take away his TD avg x 2 games = 23 TDs. Not that big enough difference, especially when you look at the following that you provided (which pretty much made my point).
This is why you have completion PERCENTAGE, TD:INT, and YPA
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JR had a better OLine, had better skill players, and a better defense.
MF had the better OLine sir, and a much better run game.
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The only way to deny those facts is to admit to a bias.
Or to point out the bias in measuring JR's stats vs. 2 top 10 teams on the road and MF against 2 mediocre teams with one game being at home.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:40 am to LSUtigahs28
Ill take Hester over Scott eveyday of the week.
Id also take JR over Flynn eveyday of the week.
Id also take JR over Flynn eveyday of the week.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:02 am to BT
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Ill take Hester over Scott eveyday of the week.
Id also take JR over Flynn eveyday of the week.
I think the hester/scott debate is a wash, but hester could get those tough yards for sure.
but good post man
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:17 am to TigerNlc
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Flynn beat both teams in 07 that JR lost to in 06 which means absolutely nothing
Flynn beat them both AT HOME when they were worse teams you ignoramus.
2006 Auburn 11-2, final rank: #9
2006 UF 13-1, final rank: #1
2007 Auburn 9-4, final rank: #15
2007 UF 9-4, final rank: #13
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Now, for MF's losses:
07 LSU lost to Arkansas at home, who finished the season unranked, whereas 06 LSU beat Arkansas on the road, who finished ranked #15.
07 LSU lost to UK on the road, who finished the season unranked, whereas 06 LSU beat UK at home by 49 points, who also finished the season unranked
But you are right, it means absolutely nothing. The only reason you'll say it means absolutely nothing is because anyone with two brain cells to rub together can discern that two top 10 teams on the road is more difficult than two four loss teams at home. Think if JR faced 07 UF and 07 AU at home, instead of having to play those 06 squads on the road. Do you really, truly think he would have lost those games?
frick. NO.
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:57 am to tigeraj22
also jmarc led all bca conference qb's in pass eficiency.... and he didnt have gary crowton... and he got screwed over in the auburn game..
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:37 pm to tigeraj22
I didn't know Matt Flynn gave up the 4th and 10 in overtime to lose to Arkansas. Should have never had him on defense.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:54 pm to TigerNlc
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I didn't know Matt Flynn gave up the 4th and 10 in overtime to lose to Arkansas. Should have never had him on defense.
LSU lost in overtime on a Matt Flynn pass, bud.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:57 pm to AlexLSU
It wouldn't have got that far if we stop them in overtime on 4th and 10 with one of the worst Qb's under center in the SEC bud.
Look how many points the defense gave up in 2006 and 2007. They gave up less even against "greater" competition like you said.
Look how many points the defense gave up in 2006 and 2007. They gave up less even against "greater" competition like you said.
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:58 pm to TigerNlc
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I didn't know Matt Flynn gave up the 4th and 10 in overtime to lose to Arkansas. Should have never had him on defense.
what about the 1st half of the game when we had a chance to put them away?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:59 pm to TigerBait1127
THIS IS STILL GOING ON 
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