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re: Farewell Moffitt

Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:56 am to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36790 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:56 am to
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3 idiots, 5 frick/frickings, one stupid.

You really told them!

edit: Overlooked fatass. That really set the tone!


Well I didn't start off that away. And frankly roger.....I really like you, but really could give two fricks if you like the way I post.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:58 am to
i was impressed.

I thought I was the champ at such.


But carry on with your anger.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:00 pm to
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With all his years of success, Moffit decided to make this years team soft?


There's been problems for years. Burrow hid most of it in 2019.

Its time for wholesale changes across the board, even though I like some of the assistants. By seasons end, this staff will be worthless to anyone.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4538 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:10 pm to
Chase - 5 lbs heavier from freshman to junior year
Marshall- weighed the same from HS to leaving LSU
JJ- is the only one with significant gain, he gained 15 lbs.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288580 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:10 pm to
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Burrow hid most of it in 2019.


Lol

20 other players were drafted off that team the last two years

What a clown take
Posted by ewilliams000
Castor Springs
Member since Feb 2012
1997 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:11 pm to
What if Moffit sees the errors of 2021 and changes his scheme? Coaches can tweak their routines.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:12 pm to
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20 other players were drafted off that team the last two years


Mostly because of Burrow

He came in and elevated everyone.

Time to clean out the geriatrics and find people who haven't rested on their laurels for decades..
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288580 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:26 pm to
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Mostly because of Burrow

He came in and elevated everyone.


Well shite. I wonder if the nfl knows about this phenomenon
Posted by Jolla
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2018
309 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:33 pm to
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Chase - 5 lbs heavier from freshman to junior year
Marshall- weighed the same from HS to leaving LSU
JJ- is the only one with significant gain, he gained 15 lbs.


I see the point, but I'm not sure weight is an argument for these guys. 2 are technical/finesse route runners, and Ja'Marr is still bullying DBs without any extra weight.
Lineman and LBs is definitely more emphasis on weight/body composition and suits the point. I think some DBs just have trouble putting on weight and it affects their athleticism/flexibility. I think of Greedy of the bat.
I'm curious what the treatment and injury prehab/rehab changes, if any, are, especially if these are more soft tissue related issues.
I believe an Athletic article mentioned O going away from the principles of his shorter practices maybe it's wearing them out like Les' practices. I'm just speculating though.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288580 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:38 pm to
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Chase - 5 lbs heavier from freshman to junior year
Marshall- weighed the same from HS to leaving LSU
JJ- is the only one with significant gain, he gained 15 lbs.



You should probably listen to jmarr chases interview with Cody Worsham where he admits he didn’t even really lift weights seriously until he came to lsu

I just don’t think you understand the scope of what is going on within this faction of the program
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4538 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:47 pm to
It’s about putting on the right kind of weight. I’ll use Brian urlacher as an example, he gained 30 pounds of muscle and got stronger and faster without losing his flexibility. It’s all in how you are trained and how nutrition is applied. Look at LSU’s linemen, they don’t put on good weight, they put on fat, not muscle. If you do put on fat, you have to be managed in a way ( nutrition and workout wise), to turn the fat to muscle. There is something wrong in the approach to weight gain. Because once the players put on the extra weight/ fat, they don’t normally turn it into muscle.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12355 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:48 pm to
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Its time for wholesale changes across the board, even though I like some of the assistants. By seasons end, this staff will be worthless to anyone.


maybe this is a call for the new coach to make. He might want to retain some.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288580 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:52 pm to
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I’ll use Brian urlacher as an example, he gained 30 pounds of muscle and got stronger and faster without losing his flexibility.


Like guys like Deion Jones & Duke Riley?

Like DJ Chark ? Like Greedy Williams? Like Foster Moreau & Cushenberry?

frick are you even talking about

So many more examples
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:53 pm to
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maybe this is a call for the new coach to make. He might want to retain some.


If this is allowed to continue, none may want to stay. I imagine almost all are making other plans right now.

I would. You have to prepare.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4538 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:55 pm to
You’re laughable.
Posted by Jolla
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2018
309 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:56 pm to
I agree with you from the O lineman standpoint while acknowledging a lack of recruiting/development.

I like Moffit's principles and think he's still a damn fine S&C guy, perhaps one of the best, but I think 777 makes a point that maybe his message is wearing out over time.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36790 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:58 pm to
He doesn't know and knows nothing about hypertrophy or how moffit programs or what role diet plays.

Stop feeding the trolls. They know shite when it comes to S&C

I'm prolly different than you in that I wouldn't mind moffit leaving, I think he has done a great job just think his message has gone stale and gotten lost but frankly that is up to the new coach. And nobody here knows if it's just the culture from the top making them not listen to him or its simply tuning him out because it's the same message over and over.

I tend to suspect based on track record that it's the culture at the top but that's for new coach to decide.

I do think it's laughable though all these people calling him washed up. That would be like calling Louie Simmons washed up. He is using time tested techniques that science shows are some of the best snd the same techniques used by 90% of the successful programs out there. But yea suddenly he forgot how to coach, especially lineman.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288580 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:58 pm to
LSU has put some of the best athletes into the nfl year after year for the last two decades

You really do not know what you’re talking about. You can’t separate one issue from another, and that’s on you
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36790 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 12:58 pm to
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des4271


Bro you are way way out of your element and have zero clue wtf you are talking about. You are making yourself look dumb, stop posting.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36790 posts
Posted on 10/27/21 at 1:07 pm to
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agree with you from the O lineman standpoint while acknowledging a lack of recruiting/development.



Last couple of years 247 has been higighting the type of lineman lsu has recruited and how most have been slow and overweight when they were recruited. That hasn't changed and honestly moffit can only do so much.


We have a huge culture problem. But Tommy didn't forget how to program or teach speed development.

He can not make them put the work in, can not force them to eat correctly, they have to want those things or they have to be held accountable by higher ups.

And moffit serves at the behest of the HC. They tell him how they want their players to be or in many cases what they want from a particular player to be. Program is designed based off of that.

Most of that is based off Jack's work. And Jack tracks the progress just like Dr rhea does at bama and Jack is a fricking beast at this.

Think moffit hasn't evolved then how did he go from a pure hatch disciple to implementing Westside/russian style conjugate approach, mixing in strongman and mixing in things like yoga on top of becoming a huge sled advocate?

Only thing he hasn't evolved on his energy system test at the end of the summer and he has talked about that in that it's more about he wants to find out who the leaders are and who is going to be the ones that quit first when things get hard.
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